catch weights

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by terbear2187, May 18, 2012.


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  1. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    Thats fine so long as you don't restrict the challengers ability to weigh in at the divisional limit.....if you want to fight light, then great.
     
    icemax, May 18, 2012
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Fighters from two different weight divisions shouldn't be able to fight for one another's belts, but any weight within a given weight class is fine. So a fight at 151lbs is still a light-middleweight fight and should still be for the light middleweight title.
     
    McGrain, May 18, 2012
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  3. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I much prefer a title be won at the actual limit, but it depends on the situation.
     
    Bogotazo, May 18, 2012
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  4. terbear2187

    terbear2187 Guest

    so true, this is basically how i view it. if you don't want or can't make the limit say 154 don't force another mofo to come down because you can't get to the weight you want my title right? then i guess your coming in light
     
    terbear2187, May 18, 2012
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  5. Mr. Sandman

    Mr. Sandman 27-2 (21 KO) Full Member

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    If it's not a vacant title I don't see the issue. Pacquiao winning a title for beating Margarito was a ****ing farce, though I don't doubt that he could win a legitimate belt at 154.
     
    Mr. Sandman, May 18, 2012
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  6. terbear2187

    terbear2187 Guest

    whoa there you aren't aloud to use the P word Or M word this is a discussion purely on catch weights, and whether catch weights should be allow for title matches
     
    terbear2187, May 18, 2012
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  7. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This.

    It's the *****s who are whining all day about this.
     
    klion22, May 18, 2012
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  8. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    For the belt? the limit. For your typical matchup? negotiating a weight is fine
     
    megavolt, May 18, 2012
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  9. kpete14

    kpete14 Member Full Member

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    :good I agree, less controversy!
     
    kpete14, May 18, 2012
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  10. terbear2187

    terbear2187 Guest

    my biggest thing is how can you receive a belt for a different weight class if you fought in a weight class below it? it makes no sense. what if the hw belt was vacant and two CW decided to fight for it but at the CW limit? that would be crazy right is that even possible?
     
    terbear2187, May 18, 2012
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  11. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    That's the problem though. Catchweights were fine when there were only 8 divisions and same day weigh-ins. Boxing has changed. There are no more same day weigh-ins and there are 17 divisions. Fighters are abusing these catchweights now and are simply using them as a method to try to drain their opponent. Cotto was the 2 time defending JMW champ, and tried to make Margarito fight at a catchweight of 150 lbs. when he was defending his title.

    I have no problem with fighters making a catchweight to allow a fight that otherwise couldn't happen, happen. However, too many times it's simply being used as a tool to handicap the opposition.
     
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  12. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    :patsch

    When there were only 8 weight classes, catchweights were way more common than today.
     
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  13. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    That's 2 contradicting statements there. When there were only 8 weight divisions, the weights between them were further apart so meeting in between in a catchweight fight meant more weight to shed for the bigger fighter.

    Now, with all these new divisions and smaller differences in weight among the classes, suddenly shedding 3-4 pounds is "draining".

    :patsch
     
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    But catchweights haven't. When Barney Ross was coming up from 140 to take on McLarnin at 147 they used a catchweight. They used a catchweight so that the size difference would be non-prohibitive.

    And yet the pace of catchweights has never let up. There have always been catchweight fights - it's only been a problem since Pacquiao and the internet. You really can't find much objection to it in the press before that, because the press knew that two adults had had negotiations and come to a conclusion and then signed on that deal.

    Would you feel better if the two fighters shook and agreed on a weight but there was no paper trail? Or if you didn't know about the catchweight?

    Did it happen? No. It wasn't prohibitive to the fight happening and so it was ironed out. If Cotto felt that he was going to be, say 15lbs lighter than Margarito on fight night and wanted to organise things so that this was less prohibitive and there was a discussion and they sorted it out so it didn't happen, why is that even worth mentioning?

    But that is NEVER the case in a literal sense. Catchweights are and always have been about assigning a disadvantage to the bigger fighter, namely trimming his size and squeezing him at the weight. It is an equaliser for the smaller man.

    It has never been the case that a catchweight literally made an impossible fight possible - it just makes the smaller men more likely to take the challenge.


    I can't see any problem at all with it on any level.
     
    McGrain, May 18, 2012
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  15. james!

    james! CounterPuncher Full Member

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    I don't really mind them tittle or no tittle, I mean the amount of guys drain to make weight then re hydrate up on fight night, it's not so different, look at chavez jr for example.
    The only way it will ever work is 8 div 1 tittle and same day weigh in. None of that will ever happen, like some one else stated, boxings a business.
     
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