Catchweight

Include Cotto as well.

He was ruined by tony and was never all that anyway.

 

:deal

 

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: yeah I've heard about Williams wanting back at Welter his promoter said he had a lot of trouble getting a fight. But if he wants to go down in weight ... why drag Sergio with him? What exact purpose does it serve? Checking on boxrec (granted the site is known for errors) all Williams recent fights have been a couple pounds under the MW Max

so fine Williams likes weighing in under 160, but why put it into the contract? Isn't it enough to be fighting for the WBC belt?

and didn't know Angulo-Martinez proposed bout was a catchweight ... all I read on the issue from Rafael was his criticisms of El Perro for not taking the fight and pricing himself out. What's your source, because the two of them fighting at 156 for the title just sounds dumb. But then again in the world of boxing and catchweights it doesn't exactly have to make sense.

Agreed on the WBC and its rankings + Silver title garbage the org has certainly made its fair share of sketchy/corrupt decisions

and regarding the red: Margarito cutting down a couple pounds in weight might not make that big a difference at all

but if that's really the case ^ then why put a catchweight into the contract in the first place.

that right there is my biggest argument against catchweights. Some fans will say they don't make a difference so if that's the case, why use a catchweight?

 

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first of all thanks for responding. And glad it can be kept civil I don't try to flame so again thanks for the answer.

Well Sergio might not be a full Middle either but if he isn't fighting at Super Welter anymore and to my knowledge won't move back down then that's gotta make him a Middleweight by default.

And I already mentioned Paul has come in several pounds under Middle anyway ... as he was 157 for the first fight with Sergio

if he really wants to move back down to Welter, why not fight at a catchweight below 157 or even in the Super Welter division... because 157 is the exact same weight Paul was at for several other Middleweight bouts including the first with Martinez. Unless like you said Paul wants to try and dip below 157 for this fight

but IMO I find this whole "Williams back at Welter" campaign to be more hype then actuality. As P-Will couldn't get a big fight after beating Margarito, what are the chances now, especially after fighting for the Middleweight title? His manager and etc are only using the "return to Welterweight" so his name stays relevant and P-Will doesn't fade into obscurity.

unless he can put on an impressive performance vs Sergio and raise interest in himself back up, I don't see too many big names at Welter jumping to fight a guy that just won a title 2 divisions above.

and regarding Pac and the catchweights I find it funny that they don't bother with having catchweights fighting David Diaz or Clottey ... which on paper both match ups Manny wins easy

Roach might want to "watch Marg's weight" but most in the boxing community see Pacquiao as a big favorite going into the fight ... so I don't see why the pound for pound #1 fighter needs yet another advantage.

Margarito recently did move back to Super Welter and he has good size for the division, but cutting extra weight that he normally doesn't have to should be a pain in the ass regardless

if ring and glove sizes can be negotiated into contracts for advantages, why not the same with fighter weights?

Who knows if it'll be a huge drain on Marg or not .. but I know one thing, making a catchweight is clearly more of an advantage for Pacquiao than it is for Margarito

I just think it's a bit pathetic that the p4p #1 needs to use yet another catchweight

a 39 year old Mosley who now looks way past his best didn't need a catchweight when he smacked Margarito around the ring for 9 rounds

why does Pacquiao need to go that route? it just makes him look weak.

 

You want to fight at 130, 135. 140, 147. 154 then so be it. Manny weight. A tale for the ages. Testing: A footnote.

 

You only make Pac look better by trying to discredit him, I mean, why else would you bother?

Fail on an epic scale

 

I don't understand the term "Catchweight".

145 falls between 140 and 146 which is the Light Welterweight division.

151 falls between 147 and 153 which is the Welterweight division.

No "catchweights", just fighting in a division at a slightly higher weight.

 

Have the mods taken a hiatus?

Is anyone paying attention to the general forum lately?

What a pile of ****.

 

Well, I think essentially, that's exactly the approach they're taking. Negotiating weight into the contracts and all.

Also, Mosley didn't need a catchweight because he'd been a WW for YEARS. Hell, even established a place at JrMW for a while. Why would HE need one?

Diaz and Clottey like you said were easy match ups for him. SFW and LW weren't too hard of a transition for Manny to make and a lot of people have pretty much accepted that his foray into LW was basically just for title grabbing purposes.

Manny's title shots at his absolute highest weights are limited for him to test the waters of that class.I don't see him weighing more than maybe 148-149 at the weigh-ins, and probably staying that weight on fight night.

 

Light welter is 136-140. Junior middle is 148-154. I don't think I'm following your logic.:think

 

My mistake but my point remains the same, "catchweights" are still part of a legitimate division so there should be no complaining.

 

Gotcha. Yea I don't get people's arguments that it's "not a true division" when you fight at a catch weight. That's a bull**** argument though. If you weigh over 140, it's WW. If you weigh 148-154, it's still going to be JrMW. You don't HAVE to fight at the full limit.

 

Exactly:good.

 

I agree with this. In itself, the fight is decent and a good test for Pac. But personally I won't consider it as a relevant title fight, and I won't go celebrating that it's Pac's 8th title in 8 different weight classes because that's a bit of a joke. Heck, I didn't even support the belt being on the line against Cotto @145. But I've sort of learned to appreciate it since Cotto didn't look like he was affected by the weight and Pac legitimized having the belt after defending it against Clottey at 147. In the end though, I still consider the lineal championship at 4 weights Pac's best achievement as far as titles go.