Cazaghe better than Floyd?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Stinky gloves, Feb 25, 2010.


  1. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    well, thats your own opinion, so who cares? fact is they are 1-2. you can go do the research. as for castillo, what the hell is your point? castillo's win over corrales was tainted too. you added nothing new to this topic.
     
  2. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Have you watched Corrales-Casamayor 2?

    It is because Castillo came as a JWW.
     
  3. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hatton loosing to PAC at his most comfortable weight may
    just prove he is more finished that Eubank moving two
    division up to CW and loosing to Thompson over there.

    Thomposn was 10-2 after fighting Eubank and he stopped Haye so
    that does not prove EUbank was soooo much finished when he fought
    Calzaghe so even someone as insignificant as Thompson would bet him.

    And still Floyd beat Hatton at the weight he never proved to be good at.

    There is no prove that Floyd's win over Hatton is better than Calzaghes's win over Eubank.
     
  4. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    where ... in US, I mean Vegas ... or England?

    If you don't know the only who know who Floyd is
    they are leftovers from DLH fans who bought that ppv event.

    Calzaghe fans could see his fights in open TV venues
    and there were a few millions of them at each event.
     
  5. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    its got nothin to do with that. and its not just hernandez, chavez and augustus against woodhall, brewer and mitchell. it the opponents that they both fought collectively that judges the strength of their opposition.
     
  6. jaycuban

    jaycuban Cubans Do It Better ! Full Member

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    and you are dumbest poster on ESB
     
  7. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    again, you dont have a good sense of how to rate fighters. you cant compare hatton losing to pac when pac is considered a great fighter. do you think thopmson is great. if not, then you cant even mention them togehther because they are on completely different levels. hatton, was unbeaten and 5 pounds didnt change the fact that he was, at the time, considered and top 10 p4p fighter. most people agree that eubank was past it. he was on the downside. and if you deny that, then obviously your a calzaghe fan who is being unobjective. if thats the case, then all this is pointless
     
  8. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thats the point, you claim the strength of their opposition only
    because they are fighting on US soil, and in front of US TV, right?

    That is purely misleading, if you don't know DLH-Mayweather
    was not the best fight of the century (other than financial) ....
    and Jones-Hopkins II is not worth to be ppv event either.
     
  9. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    so could you prove that collectively:

    Pep, Manfredy, Juuko, Gerena, Gregorio Vargas, Augustus, Sosa, Ndou, Brussels, Sharmba Mitchell

    are better than guys like:

    Delaney, Ferreyra, Thornberry, Sheika, McIntyre, Jimenez, Pudwill, Salem, Ashira and Bika

    maybe any h2h comparison ???
     
  10. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    why do you keep bringing up things thatv had nothing to do with your topic? the point for you trying to prove that calzaghe has a resume on par with mayweather's. and so far, you havent prove anything. all you've done is make statements that cant be proven. you claiming that people discredit foreign opponents as to why calzaghe resume dosent get enough respect is you're own vain opinion and assumption. do people do that, of course, but this is the point here. the point is PROVING that the calibur of calzaghe's opponents is on par with mayweather's and you simply havent done that.
     
  11. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    there is no need to because those are not only guys both mayweather and calzaghe have fought. and thopse are low level fighters anyway. and why did you conviently omit the better fighters each men fought. wince both men are champioship fighters, wouldnt you start with the championship level. lets pose the same question to you.

    do you believe that Dlh, hatton, corrales, judah, castillo, marquez, corely, chavez, hernandez, gatti are as good or better then

    hopkins, jones, kessler, lacy, reid, sheika, veit, bika, brewer, eubank

    at the times they fought in their respective careers?
     
  12. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "why did you conviently omit the better fighters each men fought.?"

    of course I did not!

    That is a great insight in the topic, collectively:

    Pep, Manfredy, Juuko, Gerena, Gregorio Vargas, Sosa, Augustus, Ndou, Brussels, Sharmba Mitchell
    are NOT BETTER than:
    Delaney, Ferreyra, Thornberry, Sheika, McIntyre, Jimenez, Pudwill, Salem, Ashira and Bika or Veit

    Hernandez, Chavez, especially Judah
    are NOT BETTR than
    Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell, and Reid

    Corrales is not better than Kessler at the time of the fight
    Gatti is not better than Lacy
    Hatton is maybe slightly better win than Eubank
    DLH is not better than Jones if yes then only financially.
    Marquez is definitely worse than Hopkins

    Manfredo Jr and Baldomir are both Cindirella man, edge to Baldomir for having linear title

    the only unanswered call goes to Castillo who is >> Veit
    but as in Calzaghe-Reid you may claim hat Floyd was beaten by Castillo the
    first time.

    So at this time the resume of Mayweather is better by thin
    razor of Castillo's resume and everything is in Mosley hands.
     
  13. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    debatable, but you can have that, there are bigger points to hit.

    you're clearly wrong. all three men were or became title holders while facing better competition then the guys you mentioned for calzaghe.of the four calzaghe opponents you mentioned, only 2 of them were won belts in their careers, not to mentioned how weak the smw division was at the time. and calzaghe stuggled mightly with reid while mayweatehr clearly beat the guys you brought up. and you can also throw in the name demarcus corley who was anoth title holder mayweather beat at 140.



    corrales is not better then corrales? debatable

    gatti is not better then lacy? debatable

    hatton is maybe slightly better win than eubank? wrong, it clearly is, you can take a poll if you want

    DLH is not better than Jones if yes then only financially? thats the dumbest thing you said yet.

    Marquez is definitely worse than Hopkins? maybe but take into account how calzaghe struggled with a fighter who was elite, but elite at 43.

    Manfredo Jr and Baldomir are both Cindirella man, edge to Baldomir for having linear title. that goes without saying. at least baldomir beat somebody relevant. he also has a win over clottey, in case you didnt know. so based on you're analysis, the only conclusion that can be made is that you're a calzaghe fan that is making case to prove that he is as great or greater then mayweather, while there resumes are similar, mayweather clearly beats him that category.
     
  14. dubace

    dubace Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Firstly, hopkins whipped joe's ass and it's as cheap a win for joe as dirrell is for froch. Secondly, floyd would beat calzghe right now depsite the weight disparity. What difference does size makes if the bigger man hits like a *****?
     
  15. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    According the floyd mayweather, calzaghe is better than him.