Cazlaghe - Hopkins, why they canceled each other out IMO..........

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  1. gooners!!

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    Cazlaghe - Hopkins, why they canceled each other out IMO..........

    Calzaghe is a busy, aggressive, combination punching, fighter by trade, now he assumed because he was fighting a 40+ year old, that he would turn up, apply the pressure, throw lots of combination's, and that Hopkins would be neutralized because he would be made to feel his age, especially fighting at that pace, only Joe, whilst being an aggressive combination puncher, is not a particularly accurate fighter, infact he throws wide loopy punches at times, has also has a tendency to get square when he gets excited, now against a smart counter puncher who's offense comes from his defense, its a recipe for disaster to inaccurately (due to a lack of punching technique)apply sustained pressure, cause applying pressure tactics, throwing lots of punches, dictates that you generally close distance fast, which works against you against a slick counter puncher, cause if you dont pin him down with the first punch, its either easier for him to move away, or he makes you pay with a counter for not respecting the distance, which is precisely how Joe got dropped, however Joe adapted in the fight, he realized later in the fight that he could only close distance slowly, that he needed to peck, work his openings before building a momentum of pressure, rather than applying pressure with punches, only he still did not have a great degree of success doing that, because! he is not a particularly accurate fighter, which again, comes down to a lack sound punching technique, that said, whilst Joe did not have a great degree of success connecting!, he did negate what Hopkins was trying to do somewhat, because before Calzaghe was closing the killzone too fast and giving Hopkins more counter punching opportunities, only due to him adapting his tactics, staying on the periphery of the killzone, pecking at Hopkins, it shut Hopkins down somewhat, cause he needed to draw Joe into the mid range to killzone, get wreckless throwing those volley of punches to present him with more counter punching opportunities, its slightly how Taylor beat him, by disengaging him from behind the jab, picking at him, what tells me, that to beat Hopkins, its generally always going be a close fight because he is so defensive, but also because the best way to beat him is NOT to throw lots of punches and commit yourself, but to peck, pick and poke at him, maintaining your distance, composure, which is why, when people make the assertion that Calzaghe would of had more success against Hopkins had Hopkins been more active, is off base IMO, Hopkins, even when he is active, is not a guy who leads, not post Mercado (for the most part)anyway, so the idea if Hopkins opened up, that Joe would have more success, does not stack up imo, if Hopkins threw more punches, they would be more counter punches, not leads, and if Hopkins were throwing more counter punches, that would mean Joe would be throwing more leads, and as we have established, throwing lots of punches against Hopkins is not going to work, not if your throwing them inaccurately like Joe, which is why you would have to think that these two would always cancel each other out somewhat, that said, if they fought in their prime, and Hopkins did get shut down offensively because! Joe adapted his tactics, and Joe somewhat shut himself down just to his lack of accuracy, I would still roll with Hopkins's straighter, more accurate punches, better defense, to Joe's wider/loopy combo's, at times square stance, and general leaky defense, which is why I have always felt, that at the top level, Joe is not technically good enough to beat the elite guys like Jones/Hopkins, although would be in with a shout against any because! of his adaptability, stamina and chin.


    Dont hate on me please, just my own perception. :thumbsup
     
  2. TheUnstoppable

    TheUnstoppable Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pretty much a definitive volume vs. accuracy kind of fight, evident by the massive controversy and discussions surrounding it.

    Strangely enough volume can be used to smother guys who fight at a lowe rate/high accuracy pace, but the high volume can also be used to act efficiently by the latter due to more openings that occur with greater frequency.

    Hopkins and Calzaghe both did well agaisnt each other, but also did **** against each other. I know that's an awful saying but imo this was one weird fight.
     
  3. gooners!!

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    Agree.

    Yeah man, aint it ironic, strange :huh
     
  4. tito44

    tito44 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkin's style of holding and roughing guys up can make it anybody look bad. It is not that complicated, and was actually not a close fight at all. 8-4, and thats being generous to Hopkins.
     
  5. gooners!!

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    Its a relatively close fight if actually score punches that land !
     
  6. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was a close, miserable to watch fight, but Calzaghe clearly won more rounds. The thing about Calzaghe is that his style is bizarre, completely unorthodox. Calzaghe's strengths give rise to his weaknesses. Hopkins would have always been a very tough fight for Calzaghe and visa versa. Even five years ago, Calzaghe would have beaten Hopkins at 168. Hopkins had a partial key to beating Calzaghe, but not the whole key. I'm not sure who would have at 168. Maybe Jones. Maybe.
     
  7. Marnoff

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    I scored it narrowly for Hopkins, but it wasn't an easy one to score. Hopkins was more accurate while Calzaghe pushed the pace. Credit to Calzaghe for getting off the canvas in the first round and not getting discouraged. A lesser man would have backed off and been afraid to engage after that.
     
  8. mattress

    mattress Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'd rather bleach my eyeballs than have to watch that fight again.
     
  9. wellsini

    wellsini Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good analogy of the fight IMO Calzaghe won the fight but i've only watched it once i think i scored it 115-112

    I can't bring myself to watch it again to re score it was awful

    No offence meant here man as i enjoyed reading however i would have enjoyed more had you used paragraphs!!!!

    :good
     
  10. sitiyzal

    sitiyzal ................. Full Member

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    Far too much to read. Did you use any full stops?
     
  11. Dracon

    Dracon Frédéric Bastiat Full Member

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    Not using paragraphs is WRONG!
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    They cancelled each other out so much that Hopkins threw less punches against Calzaghe than he did against Wright before and Pavlik after, and Calzaghe threw so few that he landed more on Hopkins than anyone has done before or after
     
  13. Little_Red

    Little_Red Free Boo Radley Full Member

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    It's tough to score a fight where one guy isn't throwing anything, and the other guy isn't landing anything.