Celestino Caballero Defeats Jonathan Victor Barros In Their Rematch. What Next?

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  1. SportsLeader

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    Neither does Jason Litzau :yep;)

    I don't rate Caballero all that highly as a puncher. His technique and punching form is rather poor, to be honest.
     
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  2. Pad-Man

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    Agree mate. I aint making the lad out to be a world beater. He just has that mad style which is hard to train for. Juanma aint all that imo. Really don't rate the fella. Gamboa is the truth.
     
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  3. SportsLeader

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    Yeah, he's incredibly awkward. You might just be right in thinking that JuanMa could have issues with that :think.
     
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  4. Flea Man

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    Yep, always said Gamboa would starch JuanMa.

    Caba Vs John, Ponce II, maybe Garcia (seen little of him but he's highly touted by some) would be interesting.

    Maybe Vs Gonzalez to create a genuinely viable challenger to keep Yuriorkis interested in 126lbs? :think Both big 126lbers who could feasibly bang the other out.
     
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  5. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    That was at 130lbs though, where his physical dimensions that he relies so much on are made a bit redundant. He's going nowhere at super-feather even if he isn't lackadaisical, which was apparently the only reason for such a poor showing.

    Featherweight is where Caballero belongs, the main problem for him in my opinion is that he's got nowhere near the stamina he used to have. The main staple of his game when he was having all that success was being able to stand at range and rattle off like 10 shots at a time, all coming from awkward angles with enough to sap all the energy from you, but not to knock you out.

    Nowadays, his work rate has dwindled significantly, those massive(in volume) combinations round after round have dried up greatly. Now he's jab-orientated for the most part, and dropping in some right hands from a variety of angles every now and again. In the 5th(I think) against Barros it was like watching the old Celestino in terms of output, but then he went into the 6th and tried his best to tie JVB up for the round.

    I'm not sure what to make of him as of this moment if I'm honest, Barros is a bit underrated so beating him close but clear is a decent accomplishment, but it's not necessarily the kind of showing that indicates he'd be able to defeat the best guys in the division.
     
    jpab19, Oct 16, 2011
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  6. Vano-Irons

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    No ****ing spoilers!!!!! :lol:

    I'll have a read tomorrow J. That's far too long for my attention span at the moment :good
     
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  7. SportsLeader

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    I don't reckon the weight jump would have substantially lessened his power though, as it's not a huge difference between 126 and 130. Caba caught Litzau with some stingers, but never had him significantly hurt, and although Caba didn't throw as much as he should have, a fighter who hit harder would have knocked Litzau out if they had caught him as many times as Celestino did IMO. I don't think he'd knock JuanMa out if Litzau and Yordan went the distance without too many issues.
     
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  8. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    :lol: Sorry, I put ''spoiler alert'' in the original thread title(why the first three paragraphs are there) but though that 2 days was enough for people to catch up.
     
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  9. Flea Man

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    He dropped Yordan. And Yordan is tough.
     
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  10. SportsLeader

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    I don't rate Yordan much at all personally. I may be under rating his toughness though, but I was very surprised when Pelenchin didn't stop him after the hiding he gave him.
     
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  11. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    His power's solid. He's a punishing type of puncher, not an explosive one.
     
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