Chad Dawson is making a big mistake...again!

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  1. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    That's likely because you're more active in the summer and you eat more 'comfort' foods in the winter. Food and activity being equal and you'll lose more weight in winter, regardless of your metabolism.
     
  2. Hermit

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    That is the point. The heat creates a different environment. In Chad's case he had an increase in activity to boot. Hard workouts kill my appetite. Heat kills my appetite. Call it 'set point' or whatever. I know it is calories in and calories out. How Dawson gained weight with the aid of a "nutritionist" is simply baffling to me because my experience tells me he should have lost just from the appetite loss that occurs with heat and exercise. Again, simply my experience with heat, work outs and appetite.
     
  3. IceJohnScully

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    In regards to the scientifc approach to losing weight...Ill say this, I know many fighters, myself included, have found that there are times when you eat healthy foods and have trouble making weight yet when you get off your strict routine and eat what you want you actually lose weight in easier fashion. Strange but true, Ive had numerous fighters tell me they've expereinced the same things. In any event, if there is one thing I can assure you...the science books don't always go along with the reality of a fighters preparation...sometiems NOT listening to what the scientific approach is is better in the end. But I am sure AL OF US can agree that a fighter training for nine weeks and still being SEVEN pounds over his weight less than 24 hours before the weigh-in is insane...it means in 9 weeks he lost 7 pounds and then in 12 hours HE LOST 7 MORE. That N-E-V-E-R would have been the case if I was training him alone.
     
  4. Hermit

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    Old study cuz I learned about it in psych 101. A bunch of preschool children were given the opportunity to eat whatever they wanted. In the short term the researchers were alarmed at the choices but found over the long haul the children ended up eating a balanced diet. Listening to what your body tells you isn't alway bad. I think we just sometimes aren't too good at listening. :D
     
  5. dealt_with

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    Actually I can come in and say what I want because Chad Dawson is a human being, and what I'm talking about is the science of the human body. Boxers do need a team, like every athlete in every other professional sport you need different people doing different things, working together to achieve a common goal.
    Training in the heat does mean you sweat more, there is increased viscosity in the blood and tendons are more compliant. That's all great, you don't need to warm up as much and at the end of the training session you would have lost more weight when you step on the scales. BUT as soon as you drink something again you put all that water weight lost back on. The net effect of water weight lost over a camp in heat is zero, I was pointing that out as you made a mistake in implying that the heat would have any effect on his weight over the whole camp.
    If he weighed 184 when he weighed 182 5 weeks earlier then you're right, there is obviously a problem and yes you should speak up. That's what I'm saying, Chad's guy obviously didn't know what he was doing. Either Chad wasn't following his diet or Chad's strength coach didn't have him on a calorie deficit.

    Monitoring intensity is a very important part of conditioning, it's there to ensure that they're working at an intensity that replicates a fight. It's also there to see if there are any problems with recovery. Putting your hand on the athletes chest is a very strange way of doing it though. Honestly it sounds like Chad's strength coach is a guy posing as if he knows what he's doing, that's why I asked you if you knew what his qualifications were. I don't know why he was telling everyone that Chad was going to be punching so much harder and hurting Ward, every opponent is different so you wouldn't even know for a start. I'm guessing that he was mostly trying to give Chad a psychological boost, god knows he needs it.

    As for coaches getting upset about strength coaches.. it happens in all sports like boxing that aren't so professional or a bit behind the times, it's a matter of respecting what each side does, communicating well and being on the same page.
    Bottom line is that someone who really understands nutrition and the human body should be looking after the conditioning and someone who really understands the game and the skills should be focusing on the boxing training. I emphasise with a boxing coach like yourself who has a dud guy on the other side but you can't paint all strength coaches with the same brush. I didn't mean to insult you by saying you don't know these things, I was trying to point out that people need to stick to what they specialise in. You've been around long enough to know that the dud guy was doing some things wrong in regards to nutrition, but the other things you don't understand. A strength coach is often looking after nutrition and weight loss as well which I think is wrong because generally they're not qualified in that regard either.
    Sorry if you get the impression I'm trying to disrespect, all the best in the future.
     
  6. dealt_with

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    That's to do with the hunger hormones grhelin and leptin, eating bad is good sometimes or otherwise your body puts the brakes on. 'Bad' food is often low in fibre as well which results in more roughage being expelled and more weight loss. That's a trick to lose a couple of pounds for a weigh in, cut down foods with fibre for two days beforehand.
     
  7. IceJohnScully

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    I understand....but I maintain that as a guy with THIRTY years of experience in boxing, I would have done a better job of getting Chad to weight. IM SURE OF IT. Why this guy did things as he did, even after I spoke up, is unreal to me...
     
  8. dealt_with

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    If you don't eat you don't have energy, the heat will decrease the amount of work he can do and the intensity of the work. I don't think Dawson had a 'nutritionist', if the guy is considered a nutritionist then he needs to be fired.
     
  9. dealt_with

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    Sounds like it. Unless a guy can articulate why he's doing what he's doing then it's BS, that's that communication that is so important when you're part of a team.
     
  10. DrX

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    the problem is chad, no trainer can help him....he cant pull the trigger....he waits for the perfect punch
     
  11. dealt_with

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    I think Chad should dump his 'strength' coach (Who I suspect is just his cousin from down the road) and hire a sports psychologist. ****, even just a regular psychologist. That's where his problems start and end.
     
  12. IceJohnScully

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    VERY perceptive X...and YOU, AS I DID, saw that. I used to tell him all the time to just let if ly, dont wait for that perfect shot because chances are it will only come a few times in 12 rounds. Matter of fact, I wanted him to hit the bag and the mitts with that in mind but he didnt wan tot do that, he wanted to do it a different way...he had a mitt guy working for him doing all these things...the guy was a good mitt guy, don't get me wrong...but a guy like Chad CANNOT focus on so many combinations like that, like he shouldnt be literally "taught" a six or seven punch combination because he will never throw it. He need to get sort of a running start, let his hands go with a few shots to begin and then just let if flow after he gets the first few off...the best , prettiest, nastiest combinations hes thrown in his entire career are the ones he threw when he just reacted and let his hands fly. Chad CANNOT "plan" his combinations out like that...its not what hes good at, thats all, and he and these guys didnt understand that. He didnt want to do it my way...and once I saw that, weeks before the fight, I knew my days with him were numbered. I wasnt staying around for that kind of craziness, NO WAY. Forget the money, the 24/7, all that. Wasnt worth it to me.
     
  13. DrX

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    are u the real skully?...lol i really appreciate the compliment


    but check out my thread about him

    http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=428636
     
  14. platnumpapi

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    I like dawson I think he is a good boxer, but guess what it aint the trainers it dawson, just like its khan, taylor and even Judah. but Judah don't switch trainers every 2 fights.
     
  15. IceJohnScully

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