Chad Dawson. Thoughts and Score for the Recent Johnson Fight.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by MSTR, Jul 3, 2008.


  1. LiamE

    LiamE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not sold on Dawson. Decent skills but far from great.
     
  2. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    116 - 114 Dawson wins.
     
  3. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What are you talking about? The controversial rounds weren't in the middle, Dawson got about 4 rounds clearly on the trot in the middle.
     
  4. jaco

    jaco Thomas Hearns Full Member

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    I had Chad winning 115-113, I thought it was a close but clear win. He is certainly a talented fighter with a great offensive arsenal, he has flaws but I'm sure they can be corrected in time. He should definately try to stick to his gameplan more, against Johnson he traded punches at times, resulting in him being hurt on a few occasions (which can be put down to inexperience like you said). If he can work on his stamina and stick to using his legs a bit more he'll be a tough fight for anyone from 168-175. He shouldnt fired Mayweather Sr either, he could have sused him to improve his defence.

    He isn't a fraud like some make him out to be, just a very talented young fighter that has some flaws. If he can improve on some things he may very well be the champion at 175 for years to come.

    As long as Chad sticks to boxing he'll wear Diaconu down and stop him. :yep
     
  5. québecwarrior

    québecwarrior Georges 'Rush' St-Pierre Full Member

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    want to see him vs Kessler!!!!!
     
  6. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Good post mate. I agree that he shouldn't have fired Mayweather Sr either, he would have been perfect for Dawson, who is still lacking at times defensively.
     
  7. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Terrible style match up for Kessler. I honestly think Dawson wins this one by a wide margin on points. Dawson is faster, longer, bigger more powerful and is slicker overall from the outside.

    Kess doesn't have what it takes to adapt, and will be frustrated all night long.
     
  8. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Dawson is also vulnerable to right hands, Kessler has a better sense of distance and the power thing is not for certain in favour of Dawson.

    Dawson is slicker from the outside, but also not a rythym disruptor, so Kessler would be able to be very formidible from the outside and utilise pressure due to his control of distance and his constant jab, which Dawson has not shown to be a master of deflecting, even if slick at slipping other types of offense.

    Dawson's faster, but not leagues faster, Kessler can keep up with him and his timing and delivery speed will see him landing his fair share on Dawson, unless Dawson improved his D to mastery level.

    Also, if you think Kessler can't draw him into his gameplan via pressure behind the jab when Glen Johnson did, then you are mistaken. Kessler is also working the body more in his most recent bouts and is as accurate as they come with some more varied work. You take the Calzaghe fight as an example where he couldn't figure Joe out, but Joe is a fighter that is a rythym disruptor that switches on the fly, not the same with Dawson, even though Dawson shows plenty of signs of being a multi-dimensional fighter.

    It's a very good fight and I would favour Kessler personally, not for any other reason than it's who I think would win. If the fight is at full range, Dawson has the advantage, if the fight is inside or at mid-range, Dawson has no advantages. He'd have to fight a perfect fight just to get a competitive win, it'd never be a domination.
     
  9. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't know a lot about Dawson. Just throwing it out there, i just watched the Johnson fight, and to be honest he didn't look more powerful than Kessler. He looked like he was capable of power punching, but he didn't sit down on his punches. For the most part he was tap-tapping away without any real power.
     
  10. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is true. I saw some shots where Johnson was like....hmmm, this guy can punch a bit.

    I thought Dawson won 7-5. I feel alot of posters here had heard so much about Dawson and went in with certain expectations and when he didn't live up to them, they felt he lost. This is not an unusual phenomenon on ESB.
     
  11. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    LMAO haha
     
  12. cardstars

    cardstars Gamboa is GOD Full Member

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    This fight was another example of fans having amnesia and only remembering the last few rounds (which the losing fighter looked good in). 7-5 Dawson (yes close, but clear cut imo)
     
  13. cardstars

    cardstars Gamboa is GOD Full Member

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    :rofl :rofl :rofl that is hilarious
     
  14. Larson

    Larson Paenkhay Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
  15. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Adamek has a nice right hand though, and had trouble ever landing it. Whilst he is vunerable to an extent, his overall boxing skills will make it hard for Kessler to land. Remember we have yetto see anyone really have success against Chad from the outside.

    I don't consider Kessler to really be very powerful. Taking something like 8 rounds to ice Siaca, not being able to KO or actually hurt andrade even though landing at will, and only just stopping his most recent opponent (who is supposedly quite chinny) isn't impressive for me. Chad in comparison really sits down on his punches at times, as seen by Johnsons reactions to certain shots.

    I have never seen Kessler apply pressure effectively though. If anything is one of his biggest faults, and why he couldn't stop Mundine and took so long vs Siaca and against Sartison, even though he outclassed them.

    Also Dawson has approved very effective at distrupting rythm from the outside, look no further then the Adamek fight. Adaemk struggled to get his punches off. The fast jabs, the combinations, the movement and the unpredictability of Dawson made things very tough. This is one thing he really holds over Kessler. Kessler is very predictable and easy to time. Chad is far better at feinting, changing up his speed, throwing different shots, using movement, and throwing his punches from angles. In this regard he is far better than Kessler.

    Against Adamek it showed though just how good Dawson is at negating the other guys offense when they sit back and choose to box. Johnson had success by literally walking through his punches most times to get to him. Kessler can't and won't do that.

    I honestly don't think his timing and delivery speed is that good that it is going to be the equaliser for all the advantages that Chad holds. A lot of this is purely subjective though, as things like timing are extremely hard to measure.

    Kessler has never ever done it before, why would he suddenly start now. I think you are grossely over rating the infighting ability of Kess. Kess will box from the outside, he doesn't have any way of getting inside. Johnson didn't get in behind his jab, but rather behind his tight defence. Kessler isn't going to walk down Dawson like that, he just isn't that sort of fighter. As shown vs Calzaghe, when he started losing from the outside, he simply didn't possess the tools to change things effectively in the fight.

    Fair enough each to their own. My pick though is Dawson by wide UD, and its a very confident one for me. Its a fight i would definitely love to see made, and i have no doubt will be made in the future, once the talent at SMW runs dry and Dawson establishes himself a bit more.