Chad DAWSON v. Adrian DIACONU ~ ANALYSIS and PREDICTION Thread

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  1. ralphc

    ralphc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Adamek is "limited?" :huh

    Before Dawson gave him a boxing lesson, he was clearly the best man in the division. Why do you think Hopkins and Tarver weren't interested in his title? Nor are they interested in Dawson.
     
  2. Quik

    Quik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can't wait to see Diacony KO Chad.
     
  3. yesihavearm

    yesihavearm Active Member Full Member

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    I doubt Hopkins or Tarver even knew who Adamek or Dawson was at the time.

    Dawson's got a shaky chin, leaky defence and isnt strong mentally. He hasnt been to the dark places, someone with a good offence will beat him.
     
  4. LiGhTsOuT1014

    LiGhTsOuT1014 New Member Full Member

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    Thats why Tarver is scared shitless of Dawson huh??? He was offered almost 2 mil to fight Chad but instead is fighting Blades lol. He has such a leaky defence thats why he was hit soooo many times against Adamek rite??? He clearly got careless and got caught by a shot that would have put alot of people out look at he shot Jones took from Tarver looked pretty similar...
     
  5. ralphc

    ralphc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Don't confuse these nuthuggers with facts! :nono
     
  6. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    Hoye is an absolute nobody. He fights scared and has a very weak chin. Not only did he get stopped by Woods early, he was hurt badly and dropped by Prince Badi Ajamu. :lol: It's ridiculous how much hype Diaconu got for looking impressive against a glass chinned joke without any skill.

    He looks clumsy because he IS clumsy and is an unpolished fighter. Just because Diaconu had more amateur fights means nothing. ****, why am I even arguing with this. Pro experience wise and skills wise, Diaconu can't even stand near Dawson.

    Aghhh, I can't wait until this fight happens. If it's in Sacramento again I will definitely be buying tickets, even though everyone I would go with will be cheering for Diaconu, since I'm from Moldova which is right next to Romania. I just can't stand hypejobs like this and I can't wait for Dawson to increase his stock after disposing of him.
     
  7. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Didn't know you were from Moldova...do you speak/understand any Romanian, huki?:think

    Anyway...I don't understand where your dislike of Diaconu comes from...I don't suppose there is anyone on ESB who dislikes him more...You say it's because he is a hypejob...How come? Except for Montreal boxing fans who have followed his career, the only reason people talk about him is because of his dramatic, exciting stoppage of not-very-good-at-all Hoye...Most reasonable fans of his aggressive style think that he has a very small chance of beating the very talented Dawson, but that if he can hurt Dawson, he has a good chance of stopping him...how does that make Diaconu a hypejob? :think

    I can understand why you want Dawson to prove that he can take on an aggressive fighter who will hopefully throw everything except the kitchen sink and so do all Dawson fans, myself included, but why wish that Diaconu loses so passionately? It almost seems that he would have been more popular with his critics had he UD'ed Hoye instead of stopping him in such a dramatic fashion. Just because there are people who will get excited over what could very well be a flash in a pan doesn't mean that the fighter deserves to be disliked, does it?:good
     
  8. andyZOR

    andyZOR Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    edit, dont feel like arguing.
     
  9. ralphc

    ralphc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Do you remember all the hype about Jeff Lacy being the new Mike Tyson? Some people are trying to do the same with Diaconu. Remember they were taking bets on which round he would KO Calzaghe? People like that don't know the first thing about boxing. Calzaghe had a clear style advantage over Lacy just as Dawson has a clear style advantage over Diaconu. I thought there was a good chance Calzaghe would TKO Lacy and I think there is a good chance Dawson will TKO Diaconu.

    Just watch the knives come out when Diaconu loses. The same knuckleheads who are building him up now will start tearing him down. Amazingly they will claim they knew it all along! :shock:
     
  10. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    No, I don't speak Moldovan/Romanian, just Russian since I was born in the USSR. I know you're the biggest Bute fan on here, but are you from Romania?

    I don't hate Diaconu or anything like that. I like some fighters with wild styles (Mayorga, Hamed, etc.) too, so I don't disike him because of his style of fighting. What I do dislike is people hyping and jumping on a fighter who has been a pro for over 5 years and achieved nothing worth mentioning. I hate when people start talking about Diaconu's great power, which like I said before, is a myth. I also highly doubt that if he manages to hurt Dawson, he will finish him. Dawson's chin IS suspect though so there's a chance he will lose, but it's easily less than 5%.

    The funny thing is that I actually liked Diaconu before he started getting hyped all over the internet by annoying boxing fans. There's a large group of people who search for hopeful fighters from eastern europe or just white fighters in general and start hyping them up like crazy even though they've proven and shown nothing. These same people usually ignore fighters who aren't eastern euros/white americans and don't give them credit until they've accomplished a lot. There are also many people on the opposite side who are biased against euro fighters and don't give them credit when they deserve it. It just pisses me off when an unproven fighter gets a lot of unknowledable fans behind him who proclaim he's great while they don't acknowledge already proven great fighters just because they're biased against them from the start. So when I cheer against Diaconu, I'm cheering more FOR Dawson (One of my current favorite fighters) and against Diaconu's ignorant fans. I know you look at Diaconu and other fighters realistically, so I'm not talking about fans like you. Also, if Diaconu was fighting some other LHW's like Tarver/Woods/Erdei, I would be cheering for him.

    It's a similar thing with Pacquiao. I love to watch him fight and like him as a person, but his fans **** me off so damn much when they overrate him and support him blindly that I can't wait until the day Pac loses.

    ****, that was long, but I'll use this later when I have to explain my dislike for heavily hyped unproven fighters.
     
  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Yes...I was born in Romania. I started taking an interest in Diaconu first of all because he is a mate of Bute, at InterBox. He is also the only other decent Romanian boxer out there, so I keep an eye on him. Thirdly, I like his style of fighting and I think he is improving. I have been a boxing fan only since March, so I know very little about most fighters who are only about as good or just slightly better than Diaconu. There may be many more out there about as good as Diaconu or better - they deserve to be known and appreciated more, so...the people who know more about them should hype them up a bit, giving the likes of Diaconu some competition - Diaconu wouldn't look so hyped anymore, by comparison. I do start threads and post in threads about Diaconu, but that is because I know about him, not because I think he should be extra-hyped!

    Anyway, the people who hype Diaconu are: from Montreal - want all their local fighters to do well and find Diaconu exciting/ fans of Bute - intrigued by Diaconu - his team-mate; Romanian fans who are non-hard core boxing fans - support Diaconu because he is Romanian; very few others like andyzOr or David Haye, for example, - think Diaconu is exciting and quite dangerous and expect he might become one of the top fighters in the division. So, there aren't that many hardcore boxing fans, if any, whether Romanian from Montreal or not, who hype Diaconu AND say he is the best ever or hug his nuts, like some Pacquiao fans do, for example...not that you could compare Diaconu to Pacman in terms of quality/fighting ability, of course...

    I became a fan of boxing because I read about Bute in the Romanian press. If some Romanians from Montreal become fans of boxing because of Diaconu, I think that is just about OK...even if they overrate him at the moment in an annoying way, being inexperienced and wishing him to do well. Some of them may continue to take an interest in boxing and develop into decent analysts even if Diaconu proved to be a flash in the pan. Those would be a gain for boxing. Screw the rest - they would just **** off as soon as Diaconu loses, anyway!

    So...what I am saying is that you should consider being more tolerant of new, excited fans who become interested in boxing because of a certain fighter and giving them some slack for their youthful/ unjustified enthusiasm...they may yet become real fans of boxing, which we desperately need more of. I know how annoying it must be for a very good, objective analyst like you to stomach their "arguments", though...but even you, ethnically Russian, are a big fan of a Russian boxer...you must understand how cheering for a fellow country-man can start you off on the way to becoming a true boxing fan...Also I feel wishing a fighter to be "exposed as a hypejob", if the people who are hyping him mostly don't have a clue, is like ... hoping and cheering for a straw man to be knocked over...:lol:...do you know what I mean, huki?

    :good
     
  12. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    Yes, very good post. :good I don't really think I'm right in thinking the way I do and I don't consider myself to be a true great boxing analyst like a few people on here are (I've only been a hardcore boxing fan for a couple years), that's just how I feel. Also, I understand that it's pretty dumb to start disliking a boxer because you don't want their ignorant fans to be happy. But still, it just pisses me off that there are great fighters out there who get overlooked because they're unable to get a large fanbase or media approval while there are mediocre, unproven fighters who get a lot of recognition for less significant accomplishments.

    ****, I used to be an ignorant fan too, but during the last year or so I really obsessed on knowing the history of every single weight class and I learned a lot. For instance the most recent example.. some Americans that I know that are boxing fans hate Calzaghe and have always discredited him, so I did too for a while (even after Lacy), until I learned about SMW's of the late 90's/early 2000's and watched nearly his entire career. A long time ago, I used to wonder why Roberto Duran is considered so great, but after learning about him/watching his fights I completely understood it.

    Your way of looking at ignorant fans as a positive thing because any enthusiastic new boxing fans are good fans is great. I'll still be happy knowing that crazy Diaconu hypers are disappointed when he loses though.:D I of course understand cheering for boxers from my country, but I've never been very annoying with that. From the start, Barrera and Hopkins were my favorite fighters, who got me big into boxing, even though they weren't Russian. I know there are many people who almost never cheer for fighters that aren't from their country or aren't white and even after watching boxing for a while, don't acknowledge them as the great fighters that they are. I guess in the end it doesn't matter though, because more boxing fans, even if they're ignorant as hell, is always a good thing.

    To sum it up, I just hate when people/media overhype anybody, ESPECIALLY new fighters, so when a fighter gets too overhyped by his fans and I'm not a huge fan of his, I want the fighter to lose and end all the hype.

    About Dawson-Diaconu.. I actually like Diaconu's patient explosive style and killer-like aura, but I think he's greatly overhyped by many people and I hope when Dawson destroys him these people will give him credit, even though he will make it look easy and make Diaconu look C level. After he loses, I would love to see him try to beat Tarver's old ass (the only fighter at LHW I seriously don't like) and then win a championship vs Erdei or somebody other than Dawson.
     
  13. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Fair enough! Is it not time for you then to do some hard-core hyping for all the great fighters who deserve more recognition?:hey

    I cannot wait to hear of the boxers I should take have a closer look at - very good analists like you, huki, should set the tone on this board, hyping good prospects and pleading the case of those great fighters!:yep

    Anyway, back to boxing analysis!:good
     
  14. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Short stocky guys with power have to posses the following traits to be get to the next level: tremendous stamina, a steel chin and nonstop punching. Rocky Marciano and Joe Frazier come to mind. Diaconus workrate is poor and Stamina is questionable. These two can be improved, I wonder how his dedication to training is, the running the exercise etc. Guy can punch but he needs to be relentless. Wonder how relentless this guy is in the Gym? doing his roadwork ......looks to me like he would be busier and a bit more cut if that were happening, guy doesnt go to the body either, dont know need to see a bit more of this guy before I can decide. He can punch that it seems but against a stiff even I can look like Dempsey
     
  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I think you make some valid points...:good