Chad Dawson vs. Joe Calzaghe?

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  1. ghostlybadge

    ghostlybadge Punch Drunk Full Member

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    calzagher takes him atm but in a year i would go with dawson
     
  2. mexican legend

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    :-( "Dawson brings nothing to the table that could worry Calzaghe." :patsch
     
  3. crespo21

    crespo21 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    enlighten me.
     
  4. mexican legend

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    No, you give me details on how Calzaghe would dominate Dawson since it's clear you feel he would not do anything against Joe.
     
  5. crespo21

    crespo21 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    well if you bother to read my first post i quite clearly point out that calzaghe is the better fighter in just about every department apart from age.
     
  6. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    :huh he may not have a Hatton or Castillo like KO record from body shots, but he frequently goes to the body and is more than effective... do you know who Joe Calzaghe is??? I dont tend to comment on what fighters can and cant do if I've not seen them or watched just a handful of fights. Watching him against Hopkins wont have shown you much other than how he dealt with a cagey, but dirty veteran of the game.

    Please watch more fights before making comments like this, if you want to be taken seriously anyway.
     
  7. mexican legend

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    Go back a page or two and you will see my assessment on how the fight will go.
     
  8. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    You should be the one taking a look in the mirror because you don't know boxing. Dawson matches up well with Calzaghe and has many advantages in this fight. A blind man can see his talent and he's only 26 and will only get better. If Dawson fights Calzaghe he will give him hell you can count on it.
     
  9. mexican legend

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    I have seen plenty of his fights and Joe aint a constant body puncher that will go to the body over and over again. He might have done it more in his early days but certainly not now.
     
  10. crespo21

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    joe can punch to the body. (see kessler fight rd8 ) but your right he doesnt really punch to the body much.
    as for hand speed. dawson is quick but not as quick as calzaghe and his workrate is not even close to calzaghe's.
    i see it close for 4 rounds then calzaghe will adapt to dawsons style and outwork and frustrate him for the rest of the fight. i dont see him stoping dawson but defo wins by wide ud. he is just far to crafty for a youthfull dawson. thats taking nothing away from dawson who i think has the potential to be a great fighter its just this is a bad mach up in this moment in time. give him a few more fights and a bit more experiance then maybe.
    we all saw how pavlic hopkins went.
    you just cant buy experiance.
     
  11. mexican legend

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    Speed vs. speed I think it's about the same. Work rate is about the same although slight edge to Calzaghe even though Dawson is young and also has a great work rate. Here is where I get confused. Joe is not a consistent body puncher and we both agree on this but Dawson also does a great job of covering up and countering with his great hand speed. So how will Joe land the most effective punches in order to win the fight?
     
  12. crespo21

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    care to point out what advantages these are mr roach?????????
     
  13. crespo21

    crespo21 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i think it comes down to the angles joe throws his punches at and the sheer volume. its hard to hit back when your being hit. whether its slaps or whatever. and joe throws from some weird angles which is bloody hard to defend against. and dawson is no hopkins when it comes to defence. he will come to fight which is exactly what calzaghe loves.
     
  14. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    I think Sean's point is well-taken. In the USA, I'd make Dawson a 55/45 favorite; in Europe, it's 60/40 Calzaghe. Not sure Chad is ready for that, but I'd love to see it.

    As for styles, both would trouble the other. Calzaghe has a better workrate and chin, and all that experience would be a factor.

    On the other hand, Dawson can match him for speed, has a reach advantage and throws straighter, harder punches in combination, which catches the eye of the judges.

    Dawson has done fine against steady pressure. Adamek and Tarver (to an extent) both tried that, and he moved very well to stay out of harm's way. What he doesn't seem to do well against is swarming, as Johnson was able to tire him out, beat him up and take away his movement.

    However, keep in mind that some of Calzaghe's worst moments in recent fights were when he tried to brawl. His motor isn't what it used to be, and he is devoid of power -- less than Johnson -- at 175. Calzaghe turned the Kessler fight when he began boxing, and his constant movement and lateral pressure are what bothered Hopkins as well.

    I'm not sure this tactic would work against Dawson, whose speed and reach would enable him to counter Calzaghe's many defensive mistakes. Joe never has encountered that kind of handspeed, and particulary not against a bigger man with a reach advantage.

    On the other hand, Dawson makes defensive mistakes of his own, and he tends to take breaks that will cause him to bleed rounds if he isn't careful. If you combine that stamina difference with the emotional fatigue exerted on him by a pro-Calzaghe crowd, that's my reasoning for having such a wide split in the result based on venue.

    This would be my No. 1 fight in all of boxing, but I doubt it will ever happen.
     
  15. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Size, combo punching, power, movement and youth.