Chad Dawson

Erdei isnt proteccted.
Erdei beat Gonzalez when he was coming off his biggest win against undefeated Michalczewski. This put Gonzalez at #2 in the mythical Ring ratings, Erdei then beat him, when he was rated #2. Dawson hasnt beaten anyone rated higher by The Ring as Hopkins held the #1 spot for a long time, yet Erdei beat Gonzalez who holds a win over Johnson you rate.
Erdei also beat the highly rated Garay twice and Sahnoune, and Ulrich. Theres 5 quality LHW wins where he wasnt 14-15 years younger than his opponents and better wins also
Erdei also went up to CW and beat the WBC champ. Quality fighter

 

Dawson is without doubt the most overated boxer in the world at present bar none.
Only a brain dead cretin could consider him a top5 p4p fighter on what he has achieved so far.
Really the hype surrounding him is fu@!ing incredible.
Adamek is a good win but other than that there is nothing on his resume to make a case for a p4p fighter.Nothing whatsoever F@!K ALL

 

People like you are so ****ing ignorant about the sport that I don't even know where to start. Dawson without a doubt is one of the most skilled boxers currently in the sport. He has a good resume and holds a great win over Adamek who's a two division champ who will probably win a belt at HW. He holds two wins over Johnson who gives anyone at 175 hell and two wins over Tarver who was the former man of the division. He's now about to fight Pascal and Cloud if he gets past Johnson and unify the division. Not only that he wants to fight Bute, who wants no part of him and Ward. He's the real deal and will show you that next weak after he shuts out Pascal. He's rightfully ranked in the top 10 P4P for good reason and has the resume and talent to back it up.

 

Donaire is number 4 p4p and his resume isn't as good as Dawson's. Dawson is actually number 6 on Ring's list. Williams is number 7 and he's not as accomplished as Dawson. Martinez is number 8 and he's not as accomplished as Dawson. Wonjangkam and Montiel are 9 and 10. They are probably more accomplished than Dawson, but they've been around much longer than Dawson. Who should be ranked ahead of Dawson that isn't?

 

No ****. I like Donarie but he's done nothing besides beat Vic D to earn his spot there. I mean he's done absolutely nothing of note since then and doesn't belong in the top 10 P4P.

 

I see what you're saying. Personally, I have no problem with Donaire being in the top 10. While resume should be considered, skill needs to be a factor with these p4p lists as well. Donaire is just a natural fighter. It just looks like everything comes so easily to him. He fought the first 4 rounds as a lefty in his last fight and looked ok. He proceeded to toy with the guy once he switched to his traditional orthodox stance. Donaire has speed, power, he can counter, he can work off the jab, and his defense isn't bad either. He's a top 10 talent for sure in my book.

 

I agree but thats not his fault he is american and americans fighters became gods too quick

 

I agree Donaire without a doubt is a great talent he toyed with that guy by practicing as a southpaw for the first half of the fight and was impressive yet was funny to watch. With that said he needs to step up the comp and quit fighting cans like the one he just fought. He's wasting away his prime years and is top 15 P4P on talent alone but not quite top 10 yet in my book.

 

pimp C:
Come on everyone knows Tarver was shot to **** and Johnson although a very good test is ancient and has been beaten by the likes is Clinton Woods!(a younger version at that)
Dawson has skills no doubt but I will say it again.
His resume is not that of a p4p fighter FACT

 

But his reume is better than numberous p4p fighters. Not only that, but resume is not the only factor when it comes to p4p rankings.

 

Martinez, despite his quick rise to the top, has in my eyes clearly done more than Chad. He has a belt at 154 which he got by outclassing Cintron, arguably beat Williams and - above all - is THE middleweight champion of the world. Sergio's undisputed and did it by making a solid but basic Pavlik look completely clueless at times.

To me, this is better than Chad's. The Adamek win should be seen for what it was at the time and not for what he has done now. Now I know it's an excellent win (epecially the way he did it) but it was several years ago. I scored Chad's first fight with Johnson for Glen 7-5 and even though he looked superb in the rematch shut-out, Glen's still not on the same level as Kelly and P-Will. Tarver looked faded himslef against the dreadful Woods and Chad hardly set the world alight in especially his second fight with the Milk Dud. And above all, Chad needs to become THE champ. He will become it soon I suspect but for now there is no doubt that Sergio rates higher. The same goes for Wlad Klit. Marquez, too. Montiel is a more questionable shout but I'd say he also rates higher.

Others that might - MIGHT - be above Chad, based mostly on accomplishments, is Haye, Williams and Adamek (he has accomplished a lot since the embarrassment vs Chad). But that is, if you wanna use that criteria. H2H Chad rates higher than all of them. I choose to only put Haye above him of these three.

He's #8 in my book but could realistically be anywhere from 6-11. Putting him at #3 is overrating big time. I think he maight rise to that level though and he has unusually excellent skills for such a big man. He's fleet of foot, counters and throws combinations and if you add his timing to all of this he will be hard to beat. Calzaghe and Hopkins would have done it some years ago, now... I wouldn't pick anybody against him at the moment, Ward maybe if he can keep it close and outwork/outskill Chad on the inside. Ward is btw one of my strong candidates for future p4p #1 so a match-up between these two would be extremely interesting. In a few years, I will probably pick Ward.

 

Like who? Name me some.
You're right resume isn't everything but Dawsons is a **** take for a so called top 5 p4p

 

I'm sorry to tell you this, but Martinez doesn't own a win over Williams or Cintron. Basically, you would have to rank him ahead of Dawson based on Martinez's win over Pavlik. However, Dawson's win over Adamek is better and Dawson was more dominant in that fight. Who cares if Sergio is the MW champ? If Dawson beats Pascal, which he will, he'll be THE LWH champ. Dawson definately has a better resume than Sergio and is a better fighter.

The fight happened 4 years ago.

p4p rankings aren't based on how you personally scored a fight. Dawson beat Johnson twice. Martinez lost to Williams

He beat him handily twice. Adamek trumps Pavlik. Give me a win on Martinez's resume that trumps Tarver?

There is plenty of doubt as to whether or not Sergio rates higher. You want to give Sergio all this credit for being THE MW champ. But he got that title by beating someone who isn't as good as Dawson's best win. Besides, Dawson will be The LHW champ in 10 days.

Marquez is already ranked ahead of Dawson. HWs usually don't get ranked, but Wlad would deserve to be ahead of Dawson. I agree, Montiel is questionable.

Haye? Are you ****ing kidding me? Haye has two good wins, Mormeck(who's not as good as Tarver) and Valuev(who's not as good as Tarver, or Adamek).

This has to be a joke. You could give a decent argument for Williams, but definately not Adamek. Cunningham is the only good win Adamek has since getting his ass kicked by Dawson. And in that fight, Adamek got a SD despite scoring 3 KDs. Let's be real here, how the hell are you going to rank someone ahead of Dawson that Dawson beat and who has been fighting a lower level of comp than Dawson?

He's ranked number 6 by Ring Magazine.

The whole reason that p4p lists were created were to decide who would beat who if size weren't an issue. This is a good assessment by you in this part. You can't simply discard it when doing your rankings.

 

Yep. And the this is - I don't think it's good to hype him too much. I remembered this board after he ran into trouble against Glen - he was slagged off! Any mention of him as a future p4p fighter was questioned. Nobody had him in the top 20, leta alone top 5! I thought all this criticism was completely over the top. I saw skills there that wasn't fully used beacause a young fighter switched off in spurts.

After some good but somewhat lacking wins over Tarver and a superb rematch vs Johnson he's suddenly... top 3??! That, too, is completely over the top.

Can't people try to be a bit more measured? It only strikes back at the fighter himself when he loses. I still remember the "Pavlik at heavyweight" threads...