Chagaev is a real sleeper

you have it right to a degree with him being a "sleeper" he will put you to sleep trying to get through a fight of his

 

I agree that Chagaev would be Haye.
Though I dont think Haye has a chance against either of the Klitchkos. Pure propaganda.
To me this is a much better fight. Though I think it will be not be exciting. (alla Ibragimov)

Lewis makes Wlad hold inside.
Wlad is the most skilled heavy weight boxer there is. If you watch earlier fights you would see he can fight inside. He can shorten punches. (alla Byrd fight)
The downside for Chagaev is he is
a bit one sided. Nothing but that straight left. That bothers me.

 

we really dont know how good haye can be at heavyweight....haye is a great cruiser thats for sure....

but haye had a better chance against wlad imo becasue of his style

chagaev has no chance against wlad, he is just too slow, and doesnt have enough fire power to get the job done.

 

I agree, Chagaev is a sleeper. I just dont know what he has left, and thats what worries me. I was also a big fan of Chagaev's at one time, then he started getting injuries/diseases, and backing out of big fights. Which I must admit, made me lose interest in him.

The thread starter broke Chagaev down well, but is the Chagaev that beat Valuev in April of 07, the same Ruslan Chagaev thats going to step into the ring to face Wlad in June of 09? I personally dont know, but will soon find out.

 

The one thing Chagaev isn't is the "White Tyson".

 

Chagaev beat Felix Savon two times as an amateur and he beat Valouev as pro,plus many other heavyweights. He is a good solid fighter with skills, rock chin, good stamina, can punch hard. I think Vlad will beat him but it is a very dangerous fight. I am sure Chagaev would knock Haye out

 

Chagaev certainly has an outside chance of upsetting Vlad: Rightcross has accurately stated the reasons. But I disagree with Rightcross on a few issues.

Regarding power, Chagaev is no more dangerous a puncher than Ibragimov is. Ibragimov is a southpaw, too, and we saw how easily Vlad handled Ibragimov. If anything, I would say that Ibragimov is more dangerous a puncher than Chagaev, because Ibragimov is easily the faster fisted of the two.

Chagaev's effective boxing against a tall jabber like Valuev was impressive, but I don't think it tells us too much about Chagaev's ability to do the same against Vlad. Vlad is a much quicker, harder and more effective jabber than Valuev. Vlad also moves effectively on his feet and boxes competently while jabbing, skills that Valuev doesn't really have. Thus, I think Vlad's jabbing will be much more effective against Chagaev than Valuev's jabs were.

I agree that Chagaev can take a heavy punch, and that he can take this fight into the later rounds and possibly kayo a fatigued Klitschko. Still, Chagaev would have to score frequently with body shots during the early and middle rounds before he'd have Vlad tired enough to fall late in the fight. I don't think Chagaev will get the chance to score effectively against Vlad to the head and body. Thus, Vlad should remain effective in the late rounds, thus denying Chagaev a come-from-behind victory in the end.

Overall, I look for this bout to turn out like the Vlad-Ibragimov fight. Chagaev will put on a sturdy, competent performance. He will avoid being hurt by Vlad, and he will finish on his feet. But Vlad's superior size, vastly better boxing and athletic skills, speed, and punching power will enable him to maintain the edge in this bout throughout.

I say Vlad wins a lopsided decision unless Chagaev gets cut (which may indeed occur) and the bout is stopped by the ringside doctor.

 

Given the way that Manny Steward trains Vlad, do you really believe that Vlad will let Chagaev get inside? I cannot picture it. If Chagaev gets close, look for Vlad to negate any possibility for Chagaev to score with the left.

 

I expect Vlad to win this fight, but it will be interesting. Chagaev is far above Haye. Haye had nothing to offer. It appears that Haye pulled out of the fight because he was just not ready for Vlad. Vitali would love to fight Haye if WBC does not force him to fight Masakev, but even if so, Vitali might still be able to fight him. Vitali will knock Haye out, no doubt about that.

 

RC -- that's a pretty good analysis. Chagaev is indeed a very good inside fighter w/a very good left hand but no one can force Wlad to fight inside cause he's so quick footed and strong in the clinch.

The problem I see for Chagaev is that he doesn't use a lot of pressure. He's a much better counter-puncher. This won't work against Wlad who uses his feet to position his opponent and control distance better than any HW today.

Chagaev must come forward and apply contstant pressure. He's shown a good chin but Wlad imo is by far the biggest puncher punch 4 punch in boxing today. Only Brewster and Peter have shown the ability and heart to walk through that. Can Chagaev do that? I dont think so when his nature is more of a boxer. If he can do it somehow and deliver the left hand on occasion he has a chance.

As far as his power goes, I don't think it's very good just above average. He has 1 ko in his last 6 fights and not against top notch competition.

Moreover, I believe Chagaev to be a one-handed fighter for that most part. His right jab is more of a blinder to set up the straight left. I haven't see much power from his right hand in his recent fights either. I expect Wlad to use short quick movements to his left to turn Chagaev and pop him with that ramrod jab over and over again.

Tell u this much, once Chagaev stops coming forward, he's finished. No one today including Vitali can compete with Wlad on the outside.

Chagaev's stamina is a huge question mark imo. Wlad is gonna make Chagaev move a lot more than he's used to, hit him with power he's never felt before, and lean his 240 pound frame on his back. How will Chagaev hold up physically considering all the ringrust and physical ailments?

Wlad is a huge favorite imo.

 

Okay, but Valuev is a lumbering fighter who lacks Vlad's athleticism, boxing skill, and footwork. For the reasons that I and Kobe describe above, I don't think that Chagaev will be able to pop Vlad the way he did to Valuev.

Also, many of the lefts that Valuev absorbed were taken from long or middle distance, and not at close quarters.

 

a wlad vs chagaev fight is meanigful for the division, but its a mismatch on paper....wlad should ko this guy, i would be shocked if ruslan won 2 rounds.