Chagaev V The 50's Heavies?

Chagaev in his prime was very good. A world champion. Very Skilled Southpaw.

Chagaev loses to

Sonny Liston
Floyd Patterson
Rocky Marciano
Ezzard Charles
Jersey Joe Walcott
Archie Moore


Chagaev goes 50-50 with

Harold Johnson
Zora Folley
Ingemar Johansson
Joe Louis


Chagev beats


Eddie Machen
Cleveland Williams
Nino Valdes
Bob Baker
Clarence Henry
Hurricane Jackson
Rex Layne
Earl Walls
Roy Harris
Willie Pastrano
Henry Cooper
Johnny Summerlin
Harold Carter
Roland Lastarza
Bob Satterfield
John Holman
Cesar Brion
Don Cokkell
Heinz Neuhas

 

cool, shame ive only seen him against wlad.

 

What a distorted viewpoint. From a different planet I presume.

 

I know you hate him passionately Suzie, but Pastrano would NOT get beaten by Chagaev..Willie wins a decision.

 

I would give him a good chance against any but Liston and Marciano... and Marciano isn't a sure thing.

 

Beats all most of the time except Liston...

Once again, if size didn't matter, there wouldn't be weight classes.

 

It sure does matter. A modern superheavyweight would have to cut some artificial mass just to keep up with 1950s contenders. We all saw Povetkin oaf after Huck. 20-30lb excess weight off him he would have knocked Huck out.

 

The Fat Alex Povetkin Theory disproves all myths about weightclass. The flyweights are, in fact, preserving the heavyweights by not fighting them. Mind boggling.

 

puffing fatboys can easily be gassed out by guys trained for 15 rounders.


Chaggy aint marking the top 10 in the 50s.

 

He beats most of the contenders around at the time but falls short of the elite. I can't see him being top dog in any era but probably top 10 in most of them.

 

Neither Primo Carnera nor Jess Willard had to cut weight to be champions in their own era and neither would Wlad, Vitali or Lewis if they went back in time. Marco Huck would have been a heavyweight back in the 50's and probably a pretty good one at that.

 

I believe that the great heavyweight talent of today has been co-opted by the popularity of horse racing and the would-be-greats are jockeys.

 

They proberbly did train to be as light as they could at that time. Don't you think Carnera and Willard would be even bigger now with today's training?

Everyone can see Willard winning a belt today but nobody can imagine him beating Joe Louis.

 

Nobody who knows the sport, not just the rosy tinged myths and what gets passed as the history, but the sport of boxing thinks Willard would hold a belt today.