Champ Ingo vs Liston

QUESTION: Was "Ingo's Bingo" harder than the "Phantom Punch" that Cassius Clay ...(ahem)... "KO'd" Sonny Liston with up in Maine in May 1965?

 

Another baiter bump?

Ten years later...

 

And This is easily the worst post I have seen on this forum.

the guy comes on here and looks at a ten year post, says Liston destroys any version of Ingo, an opinion he’s entitled to, then says my post that starts with “I won’t say he would win” is the worst post he’s seen on the forum???

wash your mouth out!

At least bring an explanation to the table. Lol

 

Hell yeah!

 

Probably... IMO ali "phantom punch" wasn't truly a sledghammer punch. I believe Sonny Liston,in the second ali fight, ran into the punch..that's it.....it happens....Remember Henry Cooper flooring Ali? Archie Moore Flooring Marciano? It happens..

 

Oh right. It happens... lol

 

Both of his feet would be twitching after that KO.

 

If Ingo landed that right hand, he COULD IN THEORY ko Liston. But the odds are so low. I do not see this lasting 3 rounds in favor of Liston.

 

Up front, I'd pick Liston to knock Johansson out, in about 4 rounds. If Ingo managed to land his right a few times, it could give Liston some pause in his attack. If Ingo found a way to survive into later rounds, Liston could gas, and, in that case, who knows what might have happened? A lot would depend on which Liston showed up for the fight, and when it was. If the fight had happened, my money would have still been on Liston, for better or worse.

 

Ingo beat machen and patterson, that's great, but so did liston..
Yes, Ingo has a great right hand, but that's it...he just came at the right time..
Thanks to the the despicable games played by Cus D’Amato in order to protect Floyd Patterson from any fighter with a pulse, he was cherry picked by cus to fight Patterson eventhough he was not the number 1 contender...Yes he beat Patterson in the first fight, but got exposed in the 2 next fights...how are you going to favor someone who got knocked out twice by Patterson to beat the great Sonny Liston? How?
Actually, Ingo (and henry cooper) avoided liston during sonny's march to the title, when he destroyed the top 10 heavyweights ranking in order to become the number one contender.
Johansson would get destroyed by Liston in a quick fashion, even if he brings with him a prime muhammad ali or lennox lewis or george foreman in the ring! Yes liston was that good, Liston was that underrated, Ingo was that overrated and your post was that bad.

 

Not sure what his intentions would have been but given the timing of the Patterson fights and Liston getting a title shot there might have been a period in between where he would have had a few defenses against other fighters

 

Ingo was the number one contender long before Sonny was.

Yes. Patterson was the highest regarded heavyweight in the world at that time. Floyd had beaten two number one contenders. A number 3 contender and a number four contender before meeting Ingo who would be the third number one contender Patterson had met at that point. Not bad going.

Yes. Patterson annihilated johansson in the rematch but the third fight was a more bruising war that took an effect on both men. Altogether The series’s took three years to take place. Both had been severely knocked out once each. The third fight a bruising war. Patterson won the series 2-1. I doubt either Ingo or Floyd were ever the same again.

when did I favour him? All I have said is the 1958 version of Ingo was a different proposition than the version left after the Patterson series.

No. This is quite incorrect.

At no point on his run to the title was Sonny ever ahead of Ingo in the ratings.

Go check yourself. It’s all readily available online. The IBA ratings. The ring magazine ratings. You don’t climb the ranks fighting men lower than you are in the ratings. Why was Sonny avoided if he’s behind Ingo in the ranks? Sonny was never a viable opponent for Ingo before he met Patterson. Sonny wasn’t even active in 1957. Ingo was already rated in 1957.

In fact around the time Sonny fought Bert Whitehurst in 1958 the first time, Burt went over to Sweden and was used as a sparring partner by Ingo before johansson fought Machen. Ingo knocked Bert out, he only lasted a day, and he had just went ten rounds with Liston. Then on the same card Ingo blasted Machen, Bert then fought to a draw with Ben Wise...then lasted another ten rounds with Sonny Liston...even if Bert was decked in the last moments of that fight. The point is, in 1958, Ingo was actually doing better than Sonny Liston was.

Ingo sparked out Machen in one round. Certainly Ingo may have declined after winning the title and Sonny might have improved after the two fights with Whitehurst but even by 1960 he couldn’t dispose of Machen in the way Ingo had two years earlier.

admittedly The knockout from Patterson must have had a shattering effect on Ingos punch resistance beyond that point, and Sonny can have an advantage over Ingo by then, but back in 1958 Ingo was riding higher than Sonny. Just check the timeline and the results.

quite possibly he would. Especially after the series with Patterson. I agree with you.

You are obviously a young guy, and I admire your confidence. I am old enough to know where you are right now with your knowledge and passion for boxing history, I still remember when I was where you are right now. and I encourage you to continue in this pursuit. Keep it up.

 

You know what else was harder? Cleveland Williams left hook, Patterson's gazelle punch, etc.

Serious question, have you ever watched any of Liston's fights besides Ali? I've never seen you mention any other fights of his. Just the same repetitive "how does he rank as champion.... when he QUIT ..... on his stool?". Very predictable, and boring individual who adds nothing to the forum.

 

Sadly he is

 

I’ve always liked Ingemar Johansson. But stylistically this is a mismatch. Liston’s cannon of a left jab and powerful right would make this a short evening. Especially if this fight took place anywhere between 1959-1962 when Sonny was crippling the whole division. A lucky punch is about all ingo can hope for.