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   SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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   Sep 14, 2005

   What qualities other than heart? He was stiff as a board, couldn't punch hard for his size, couldn't take a punch, didn't throw combinations, didn't understand how to control range, didn't fight effectively from the outside, had abysmal non existent defense, and he pushed with his jab rather than snap.
   
   Ortiz would win every round before he Knocks him out because no way could carnera handle his power

    

   SuzieQ49, May 15, 2018

   SuzieQ49, May 15, 2018

   #16

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   willcross Well-Known Member Full Member

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   Jun 11, 2006

   Ortiz school him

    

   willcross, May 16, 2018

   willcross, May 16, 2018

   #17

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