Chance in the Fury rematch.

Wilder is by far a superior Athlete to James Toney, but James Toney is by far a superior master boxer to any active Heavyweight today.

Wladimir power hugs did impressive damage vs smaller guys, Fury turned out to be big of a Man to hug down...Thats why Wlad resorted to headbutting :nono

 

I get the feeling the rematch is going to be a very different fight

Very little occurred in the first fight: Between a combination of Wladimir slowing down and Fury just having a the kind of style to offset Klitschko but not actually attack we got a fairly dull fight. The punch figures were very low and the action was very limited.

This tells me that any adjustment even small can make a change because any action will be a vast difference from the previous fight. I think there are a lot of factors that play into this fight. Also whats interesting is Wlad has either been blitzed quick or lost while way ahead. This was the first time he has been beaten by rounds. He had never been consistently bested like that

Wladimir's condition: I think its a little over played in the sense that Wlad to me seems physically capable of fighting at a high level. I did watch his Byrd 2 fight just to see what he was like 9 years ago, long time. This was a performance of his that I probably would cite as maybe his best under Steward. He was quick he was sharp he didnt hold much and he got a nice stoppage and used several different punches in his repertoire. It is clear he isnt as nimble as he used to be but he is probably the best conditioned over 35 heavyweight ever

Its the mental part that worries me. Fury did move a lot and feint and switch his stance but he wasnt mobile the whole fight. Fury stayed put plenty and Wlad did not attack when he had his moments of being stationary and Wlad could not muster up an attack. Wlad to me never got desperate or offensively successful til 11 and 12 and it kind of gave the feeling that he could have done this the whole time.


Fury's best vs Wlad's worst: Fury got himself into the best shape of his life and was extremely focused and motivated by his big claims and he backed it in full. My question is can he get himself whipped up into that mental and physical state again. Lots of heavyweights have gotten it together on the big night only to be fat the next time, remember Douglas and Bowe. If Fury puts on as much as 5 or 10 pounds what does this do to his performance? As champ and possibly the favorite does he have the same drive to win that he did as the big underdog he was viewed as.

Was Wladimir just caught like a deer in the headlights? 12 rounds can go quick. I'm not saying he underestimated Fury but do you think its possible he just didnt know or realize exactly what Fury could bring to the table. In a rematch Wlad will now come in with better knowledge of what Fury has and has film of 12 rounds of how Fury fights him so any kind of adjustments may be made or weaknesses found


Banks: Is Banks capable of bringing it out of Wlad. Wlad has always been the favorite under Banks and can Banks take Wlad to where Steward could. Wlad lost his title, hes distraught, hes older. Can Banks look at the film and show his fighter new tricks and produce a new approach to a difficult opponent, I dont think he can.

My guess is the fight is a little better, Wladimir gets off with his shots more than he did in the first fight. Maybe he hurts Fury this time. I get the feeling its closer and more competitive but I just dont know if Wlad has it anymore. He didnt look great vs Jennings and really let his title go without a fight. i mean Vitali did quit vs Byrd but he fought, I have never seen Vitali just go out there and lay and egg and lose without punching and going for it first. Wladimir isnt Vitali and I dont know if he has it in him to go and claim revenge. This is his first immediate rematch after a very different loss

I have been a Wlad fan since 99 or 00 but this might be the first time I see him as an underdog going in. Peter was probably the last time he was actually the under dog, he may still be held as the favorite here but to me I kind of think Fury wins again

 

Wlad 66% Fury 33%. Wlad was fighting an uphill battle. The combination of personal issues and injuries played a significant role.

Often when a high performer is past their prime they don't simply lose it all at once but they are more prone to off night with flashes of their former form. I also think that Wlad is suited to addressing his short comings and making adjustments. I think his brother will be a valuable asset, I am not as sure about Banks or his necessity. I also not sure how Wladimir will perform the second time around against someone his own size.

I think Tyson will find the crown more burden than inspiration due the scritiny it brings. I would like to be wrong, he bring an energy an interest that has been lacking.

 

Waldo did nothing...

posed... they danced... hugged...

holded each other like it was Prom Night!!

Fury did slightly more to win rounds...

I think Waldo wants a Trilogy for Mega $$$!!!

Waldo stops Fury in part 2...

Fury has rematch clause...

part 3 is probably like the first fight but
Waldo wins on points in another snoozer!!

:dead

both retire filthy rich!!!

 

90% in favor of Wlad. Aggressive strategy and Fury will go in 5.

 

fury stinks. wlad is shot. if he lets his hands go, he destroys fury. if not, he loses another candidate for worst title fight ever.

 

ditching banks could only help.

 

Like others have said, it's Klitschko's fight to lose (just as in the first match). No one (even Klitschko) knows how aggressive he'll decide to be during the fight, whether it be for a decision win or via KO. And for Fury, he fought cautiously the first time and still won, so he might decide to step it up a notch this time around to ensure victory. Regardless, I'll definitely watch the rematch.

 

No he absolutely didn't. The fact he fought Brewster with exactly the same style in both fights, but with such enormously different outcomes, is precisely one of the main points in arguing he was drugged or sick in the first match- because nothing else changed, Wlad simply looked tired already walking to the ring in the first fight, and risked to die in a hyperglicemic coma immediately after.

He didn't beat Peter by changing his style. He beat him because he was the superior fighter, and Peter didn't get lucky in the rematch as he was in the first, where a slip was counted as knockdown.

Wlad can't deal with Tyson's speed, stamina, reach, footwork, toughness.

Nobody pizzafaced Wlad as bad as Tyson did. And now Tyson is even more confident, and dedicated, and the rematch will probably end on a tko of Wlad. Wlad was already wobbled in some rounds, and saved by the ref.

If he'll come out more aggressive, he's toast :bbb

 

And Tyson is the superior athlete. He looked stronger than Wlad, blocked his famigerate hooks with simple half guards like they were slaps from his wife, wrestled Wladimir around the ring (nobody ever did anything similar), pushed him back or laterally for several feets with his big hooks.

More strenght, more stamina, more speed. Who's the better athlete?

Wlad looks better, no doubt. But this IS NOT a gay magazine, i have to say that because the majority of people here are ***gots that thinks more ripped= better boxer.

 

Wladamir looked like absolute **** barely threw any punches, is 39 years old closing in on 40 and still managed to make the fight close. He was not thoroughly outclassed and there's nothing to suggest he couldn't take a rematch.

 

I have to give Vladimir a chance in a rematch, i usually have to give an opponant some chance in a rematch no matter what happened in the 1st fight.

But what ever it is that has made Vlad so scared to engage under threat, which he has hidden so well over the years, must be so deep engrained by now that one training camp and a bit of psychological head work is just not guna be enough.

 

Wlad's a very smart guy for a boxer. Surely he has to realize that's what cost him this fight, and the reason why the fight with Jennings was so competitive.

Head work is a big part of the battle for a lot of people.... Wlad has the physical side of things covered better than just about anyone.

I think he's going to watch a lot of tape here and formulate a gameplan with his team, contrary to the belief of some on here Fury did not fight a perfect fight and there were lots of opportunities for Wlad throughout the fight. Keys here are to throw a god damn punches and be more aggressive..... I wonder if Wlad will just say to hell with it an channel an offensive performance reminiscent of the early 2000s? :think

 

Wlad is getting older. Fury might get a bit sloppy and arrogant thinking he has this in the bag? I see this 50:50.

 

If he does any of that I have to give him a huge chance to overturn the loss. Gotta have the bravery to commit to and follow through with the game plan, gotta accept he will be at risk of getting hit to do it.