Change the outcome of one fight per fighter

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  1. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you could change the outcome of one fight (which was close), or if someone fought one person that they never fought and won how would that affect their legacy?

    I ask that question, because many believe that Bowe would have beaten Lewis back when he held the WBC belt and I can't help but think that if he did fight him, and he won, he'd have a win over a prime Holyfield and a prime Lewis, and instead of being remembered as an also ran, he'd be probably a Top 5 in the division.

    I can't think of many incidences where the outcome of a single fight would have been such a difference in a fighters legacy, but there must be others. Please add to the list and provide your views as to the how the outcome would have impacted their legacy.
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Bowe is in my top ten anyways
     
  3. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, because to do otherwise would be to rewrite history. I was thinking of that exact same question when I was contemplating whether a Foreman win over Ali or a Duran no mas, should be included than I thought well if you do that maybe Willard beat Dempsey then what??

    So the fights have to be close or for whatever reason never took place, or could have taken place closer to their respective primes.

    I'm not sure if this is going to work or not, but that Bowe - Lewis fight has been sticking in my head for a long time, the consequences for Bowe were monumental.

    So I was wondering if there were other single fights that could have had such a historical impact on a fighters legacy.
     
  4. lufcrazy

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    Tyson beating Douglas.
    Holmes taking the rematch vs Spinks.
    Hopkins taking the rematch vs Taylor.
    Marquez taking Pacman 1 and 2.
    De La Hoya taking Tito.

    All would have quite an impact imo.
     
  5. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great choices, care to speculate what the impact of each would have been?
     
  6. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's fine but surely a win over a near prime Lewis would have significantly enhanced his legacy don't you think?
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    He'd be my number 3.
     
  8. lufcrazy

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    Tyson probably gets debatable as a top 3 HW. People arguing he was dominant in his prime and indestructible.

    Holmes might well have retired after that fight as HW champion beating everyone he fought. Probably a lock for top 5.

    Hopkins again would be a lock for top 5 MW beating everyone he fought bar Jones.

    Marquez and Pac probably split place in terms of greatness and maybe even resume and becomes a lock for FW ATG.

    De La Hoya probably seen as a great WW by all and maybe trains harder for the Mosley fight preventing the late match fade.
     
  9. Vanboxingfan

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    I was going to pick Barkley - Duran but I don't know what that win would have done for Barkley. It certainly wouldn't have hurt him, but how much would it have helped him?
     
  10. tinman

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    What if the ref stopped the fight after the third Marquez knockdown? Would Marquez have been an ATG? Probably not. That was arguably the most significant non stoppage in a very long time.

    Would there have even been a single rematch?

    Boxing would have been flipped upside down if the ref thought Marquez was done.

    Hopkins losing to Taylor is somewhat of a lull for Hopkins, but he 39 or 40 years old.
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    No cos he was given false praise imo.

    A great 6 rounds, 3 close rounds, 3 running rounds. Due to his unwarranted praise on defeat he felt he had no improvements to make. But against Shane he faded after round 6, nor round 9.
     
  12. Eddie Ezzard

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    Bowe - Holyfield 3. Evander either summons the energy to finish Bowe or Bowe stays down in the 6th. Holyfield adds power to his ****nal of skills that he is recognised for and becomes a top 5 or 6 heavy in most eyes, once he beats Tyson the following year.

    Bowe would have slipped further into the image of lazy slob that he was being cast as after winning the title and putting on a few 'holiday pounds'. He would have been remembered, if at all, along the lines of a Tubbs, Dokes, Thomas, Spoon whereas I think he currently rates a fair bit above them despite not having the deepest of CVs outside of the Holyfield trilogy.
     
  13. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh yes, Bowe is one of the best examples.

    Also, it's quite interesting that had Lennox fought and lost (which is not written on the wall) to Bowe, he'd have never lost to McCall, and probably hired Manny Steward earlier as Manny always was interested in working with Lennox since his pro debut.
     
  14. Big Ukrainian

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    Also, if Castillo gets the nod in 1st fight vs Floyd.

    Floyd never would be able to earn as much money, even 50% of them as all his reputation later was built on that ZERO. He had great skills but wasnt as exciting as other stars so that loss would've changed Floyds career and earnings without a doubt.

    In terms of legacy though I think it wouldn't have diminished Floyd' status by much.
     
  15. 2piece

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    He could have stepped it up after that too and fought some of the guys he missed like Tszyu, Margarito, Williams and young Cotto. I never thought he ducked them but, am a bit disappointed by him not beating a few guys.