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Charles was on a high with a explosive KO over Bob Satterfield in 2 rds and a breakdown KO over the 6"3 Coley Wallace...He took that mental high and lets not forget( experience) into the ring against Marciano..Charles was only 33,Marciano 32, it could be argued that this was not Charles physical prime but if you combine, the physical, ring knowledge and coming off 3 explosive wins over contenders but Charles was very close to prime as a heavyweight and on a mental high...I would say Charles was on a mental and physical high and at the peak of his experience and with extra motivation fighting for a title in a fight he thought he could win.

Charles suffered the fate of many others in the rematch...You don't fight Marciano 2 times...

 

Come on Bummy, you've all but come out and said Marciano beat a prime Charles ... spit it out !

 

no, but a very formidable Charles and an experienced great fighter on a peak not a valley

 

Charles gave him a very tough fight the first time because even though he was a blown up light heavyweight and past his prime with a ton of milage on him he was still very talented. To Rocky's credit and from what I have seen and read it seems Charles might get a bit more credit than he deserves as the fight was not that close. Rocky really came on to dominate, he just could not put Ez away the first time. He sure did a few months later in terrific fashion in a very over looked victory. People forget Rocky was on the verge of being stopped because of that freakish cut and to me his finest moment was rallying to stop Charles before the title was taken on a cut. That was the heart of a champion and an incredible victory.

 

I don't think koing Satterfield is the sort of career defining victory that earns the Charles that fought Marciano true challenge status for proving Marciano's all time greatness ..

One light heavy KO's another and then gets beat by Rocky who also defeats Moore ( a light heavy), Cockell ( a light heavy) and LaStarza ( a very small cruiser weight) .. good fighters, sure but seriously ...

 

Satterfield KO'd 6"2 #1 contender Bob Baker and a UD over 6"3 Nino Valdez Moore beat Valdez 2 times and KO'd Baker...Charles KO'd 6"3 Wallace...they were the best of there day not the biggest but the best...and there were only 1 set of ratings in those days not the alphabet bias

Lastarza beat some big boys as well in fact he had a 53-3 record and beat everyone that beat him except Rocky

 

As I said before, Walcott was old and it took 13 rounds to stop him. Yes, Marciano was landing, especially in those later rounds. Then Walcott got caught walking into a punch. Not a one punch KO. On the return, Walcott was worn out and tired, fell at the first punch and got up at 11. And what is a Rex Layne, the predecessor to Bronco Billy Wright?

Yes, Marciano had great power against Light Heayweight Hype Jobs. That is not in debate. Really, Matthews? He was considered a fraud even back then. Archie Moore said so himself.

 

And Archie Moore carried many of his fights around at an older age and carried that Marciano fight. Foreman said "Why carry a fight you got beat in, I don't get it." Moore said "He hurt my arms so much with every punch." Moore talked about his power and so did Marciano's sparring partners who would rather walk out than spar with him at times.

Sometimes we think a fighter needs to produce KO's to have power. He might as well, I suppose. But power and accuracy are important distinctions. If Marciano hits home the right punch in the right spot you better believe you're going to feel it and probably be in trouble. But I can admit he's a bit crude and sloppy at times. But I don't deny the power. Many others don't either.

But to be fair, Charles said after the fight "He didn't punch that hard. I don't think he hurt me as much as Walcott." Although he was bitter of the lose and said "I think I actually won the fight." Walcott could punch too, though.

 

Sounds exactly like attrition power and not one-punch power. Thank you for proving my point.

Does anyone else think Lennox Lewis, or Foreman, or Joe Louis could hit Don Cockell that many times flush and Cockell would not go down? Really?

 

Age is mere hype when talking about 33 and 31 year olds who happen to diet and workout on a regular basis.... BUT! Wars is what hurts a fighter... Who is more battle scarred? Charles at age 33 in 1954 was still thought to be a winning fighter... Now, by 1957, well, that's different for Ol' Buzzard Charles.....

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You can't pin it down to one fight. You can do that with any fighter. Suzie pointed out that Marciano slightly transitioned into a more volume puncher rather than a 1 punch wrecker, and Goldman did this because he was worried about Marciano ever trailing in fights again. It worked, I guess, but he didn't stop Charles.

As for Joe Louis, a mutual sparring partner said Marciano hurt you more with 4 punches than Louis did with one. Louis could rattle you out with pinpoint, powerful combinations. But Louis is quite possibly the greatest puncher in HW History (I have only Tyson ahead).

What fighters has more 1 punch KO's over ranked fighters on film than Marciano? I'm hard-pressed to think of a Foreman 1 punch KO against even sub 200 pound journeyman.

 

I agree that Marciano was not a one punch KO artist.... He often KO'd dude's with a volley of blows, etc...... Walcott was the exception.....

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