Charles-Marciano 1

Given what we know about Lou Gehrig it is highly unlikely he had any noticable symptoms, that didn't happen until he was much much older. The trauma that trigged the illness most likely came from the unnecessary punishment he took in the last few years of his career as a gatekeeper.

Sugar may have said it but I also heard him claim Archie Moore was 50 years old when he faced Marciano, off by over a decade. Guy has become more of a colorful storyteller than historian in recent decades..I don't know, maybe that was always the case.

 

I think pound for pound he was one of the hardest hitting heavyweights. Keep in mind he was only 187 pounds himself ...

 

:good right on the money.

 

I really wish we had this whole fight...I think itd answer some questions about Rock. I'd like to SEE him dealing with being outslicked by a fighter like Charles, and how he rallies back, what he does, his movements,his punch selection, what the shots that hurt Charles are like, etc.

Shame. He did well to whup him in the rematch, though. Brutal.

 

Sugar often seems to be in a deep freeze himself when mentioning time, place, manner, degree and circumstances... I like Bert Sugar as much as anyone, but he raises my eyebrows way too much with ancient mumbo jumbo that is way outta date..... I think he rates Buzzard Charles in the top-7 of all-time heavies here in 2011.... Good lord.... Charles is there for sure if the range stems from 1887 to 1960, but Charles gets his ass kicked by many post-1960 heavies in a time machine, as does Marciano for that matter...

MR.BILL:bbbhat

 

Charles is one of my fav fighters but I give Marciano credit for this and the second fight. Great series and yes Marciano was dirty and beat past prime greats but I prefer him over any heavyweight now, he was exciting though he can be rough on the eyes at times lol.

 

:nono

 

C'mon, man up here... Hold your feelings... Marciano is not getting past the greats of post '60 like "Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holy, Bowe, Lewis and The K-Bros."

Them dude's from above bounce Marciano and Charles all around the ring like a red rubber ball on a playground...

MR.BILL:bbbhat

 

Layne, Vingo, Mathews, Buovino, Reynolds, etc.

Walcott said that Marciano could hurt you more with 1 punch than Louis could with 4, which says a ton.

"Reynolds gave a very good account of himself. He clearly outfought Marciano in round one. The second round was a slugfest, and Marciano's powerful punches were slowing Bernie in the latter stages. Marciano came out to end it in round three but Reynolds was still punching strongly. A terrific right to the jaw which actually lifted Reynolds off of his feet ended it. "

"Marciano "never punched more sharply and with such power as he showed last night. He was a tiger and relentless in his attack." (Providence Journal) Buonvino landed a terrific right to the jaw midway through the first round, one of the hardest punches Rocky ever stopped. Gino landed another powerful right in the second, but his decision to punch it out with Marciano was fatal to his chances. The final exchange in the second round ended with "a vicious looping right to the jaw" of the Italian heavyweight, which put him down for the full count. "We told him to box as he did in the first fight (with Marciano)," his cornerman said, "but he slugged it out and paid the price.""

"Walls made use of his superior height and reach and eked out an edge in a slow first round. Marciano staggered Walls in round two, and Jimmy was soon in trouble in the third, before a left to the body sent him down for the full count."

"Quinn won the second round by a wide margin, but Marciano quickly dropped him for the full count in round three with a right uppercut. "

 

sacrilege! Burn the heretic!

 

Joe Wally later claimed he ****ed up the count in fight # 2 with Marciano of 1953, but to me it still seemed like Wally took his sweet ass time trying to rise after being seated on his ass in round 1...
:shock::roll::dead

That rematch sucked ass...:deal

MR.BILL:hat

 

No point in really discussing further. You're just over-stating anything. Walcott started to look a bit tired around the 10th and 11th but seemed to catch his second wind as he was busting Rocco up in the 11th and 12th rounds badly. He seemed okay, although maybe he was a bit tired... he certainly wasn't punching much in the 13th round. But he really didn't need to anyway. Even great fighters take off a round here and there. But "fragile" and "gassed?" This sounds more like hyperbole than accurate adjectives. But I guess your a gassed old-man when you've just easily won the last 2 rounds. Greatest KO when put in context. The fact that Marciano feinted, set-up, and beat Walcott to the punch adds, not detracts from the KO. Of course, if you're argument is on power then fine. Have that squabble all you want. I've still yet to see any list from you... just a lot of hot air.

 

Marciano often pulled his punches to try to emulate his hero, the man in my signature.


...Just sayin'. :conf

 

He rose to the occassion vs. Marciano but his best days were behind him. He fought Marciano in his 98th and 99th pro fights. After the two fights with Marciano he went just 10-13... prior to Marciano he was 86-10-1.

 

All I am responding to is ONE PUNCH POWER, nothing else. I think his ONE PUNCH POWER is largely overrated, much so because ONE PUNCH POWER requires great accuracy about which Marciano was never overly concerned. I have Rocky way up there in Pound For Pound Rankings, higher than most. I have picked him my top fighter sub-200 head-to-head... Have I bowed sufficiently at the alter of the stumpy, balding wop yet? Jesus Christ....

What ****ing list are you looking for by the by? I haven't seen any lists on this thread, tho I'd rather have a gun put to my head than re-read the drivel contained herein.