Charles vs. Roy Jones at 175

Are they better than Jones thats the queston. Marshall and Bivins are grossly underrated but Hopkins,James Toney, and Mike McCallum were greats as well and world champions so they are on par.

 

I don't think Roy would beat Charles, Ezzard didn't have a lot of problems with Walcott it was the other way round he won the first and second and was winning the third until he got caught. And was over cautious in the fourth due to the knockout in the previous fight, Walcott power might have been a problem but not his speed.

Roy was never tested with anyone on Charles level while Ezzrad beat all kinds of great fighters at that weight from Moore to Marshall. I think Ezzard had a better arsenal his jab was very good and had better power then Roy, I think Ezzard would score a late knockout I think Jones would have a better chance against Moore then Charles.

 

Ezzard Charles overcome a BAD first round against Bob Satterfield
to come back in the 2nd round and take out Satterfield.
Satterfield was an AWESOME puncher!!! Also, Charles gave
Rocky Marciano hell in their first fight.

A poster mentioned that Charles was stopped by Lloyd Marshall
and Jimmy Bivins. Lloyd Marshall was an extremely skilled fighter
with good power. Bivins was actually fighting and beating a
number of top heavyweights.

Charles was a good fighter with an above average jab, good power
and very determined. Charles would have beaten Jones and
may very well have koed him.

Grebfan9
www.firstroundboxing.com

 

..charles was stopped by marshall, but not by bivins. checkout my earlier post. he was knocked down numerous times in both fights and kept getting up....went the distance wit bivins, stopped by marshall in eighth. kayoed both in rematches when he was able to train.

charles woujld take jones and it would not be one of his hardest fights.

 

...oops..missed this one. Going back to a correction McGrain made of my calling Burley a middleweight who often fought light heavies. McGrain...yes, Burley did start as a welterweight but quickly grew into a middleweight, which is where he fought for most of his career. And he did fight some heavies, but more often light heavies.

A corner man in Ezzard's for both fights against Burley told me Burley was a "phenomenal slickster" .Charles' first win was considered an upset, so much so the Burley folks thought it was a fluke. Rematch...Charles beat him again. No question about either decision.

 

I judge fighters who they beat, not if they had a long title run and beat blown up and shot fighters like RJJ beat McCallum, same with Johnson, or a Gonzalez, who loses everytime when he steps up in competition, etc., otherwise we have to rank DM in our Top5- LHW-list, fighters like Tunney, Conn, Moore, Rosenbloom, etc. have way better legacies at LHW than RJJ...

 

You are really underestimating Jones, you guys act like Ezzard Charles ever faced anyone as talented as Jones. Lets be real back then no one had Jones' speed which is something Charles would have to adjust to. The reason why he got knocked out by Walcott was because he often kept his righ low and counterpunchers with good speed and power troubled him. Jones had alot more power than Bivins and Marshall. Bivins started his career at 147 and was a contender as high as heavyweight becasuee of his jab and skills not his power and hurt Charles several times and Marshall Stopped him. Jones was as good or better than guys that beat Charles in his prime. Jones never lost in his prime. Jones had the style ability, speed and ring generalship to outpoint Charles. Charles was always as aggressive as should have been after killing that guy, forgot his name. Jones had as good or a better punch than Charles, yall are selling Jones short

 

..pugilwhatever....If you know so much about Ezzard's agressiveness after "he killed that guy", you'd know his name, which was Sam Baroudi. And no way was Ezzard as aggressive after that fight. He never forgot that fight, he wanted to retire after it, and it took Baroudi's family, a psychiatrist and Charles' pastor to convince him to go on.

Sometimes he got aggressive but even then more often he went for cuts than for kayos. He was a great infighter and he stayed in there and tried to win that way as much as he could. The Ezzard Charles who scored a devastating knockout over Anton Christoforidis , as one example, was not the Ezzard Charles after the Barouidi fight.

Roy Jones's admirerers can make good arguments for his beating Charles, but this post is just nonsense and has no knowledge of Charles AS A LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT, which is what this thread is about.

 

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excuse me forgetting the guys name Oh great one but blind worship for old school fighters aint gonna cut it. Me watching both fighters with my own eyes is what got me to my conclusion.

Yes Charles was the greatest lightheavyweight ever went 9-0 against lightheavyweight champions never getting a shot at the title but styles makes fights and dont insult my intelligence because I disagree with you, who made you the czar of boxing.

Roy Jones in his own right is a great fighter. Charles never faced anyone who had Jones speed and elusiveness, which is an attribute that troubled Charles, and Jones was a better counterpuncher than Marshall and Bivins. He had more speed, power(Moore hit harder than Jones) and through better combinations in is prime than anyone Charles faced at 175 lets be serious this wont be a cakewalk for either guy.

Charles had a great jab but often kept his left low, and Jones great countering over and under jabs. This fight would be nip and tuck because both will have respect for each others power. Charles will be the agressor but Jones will land more because of his handspeed. Close one but Jones would eke it out by 2 rounds.

At least I can back up my opinion with why Jones would win only thing you gave was a damn name, and how great charles was, get off his jock and study other eras and fighters as well.

 

pugiletc. thank you for keeping this thread alive. it allows those who really know what they are talking about to add more information.

But...i think those of us on both sides have by now covered the subject thoroughly.

one litte comment, kind of off the subject. When I saw Jones put his hands behind his back and then swat the nobody he was fighting, I pictured him trying that with Bob Satterfield. The result? Jones' funeral would be a closed coffin one.

 

I know its hard to respond when you cant support your opinion. Your bad Albinored I know.Not too sure he was kayoed 13 times in 25 losses. Jones may have pulled it off. Hell even featherfisted Jack LaMotta stopped him at an over the weight fight over middleweight. He lost to everyonne he fought worth mentioning

 

The fight could go either way. I dont think Charles would be aggressive enough to knock him out. I think it would go to a descision who ever won. In there primes both were very defensively responsible and IMO it would be kinda nip and tuck. We agree to disagree, but we both understand both will have problems with the other fighter. Both had great stamina but between the two Jones was faster and slicker and Charles was a bit more offensive. Close Call. In a 3 fight series I'd love to see who'd come out on top.

 

Pugilist Specialist why do you keep saying Jones hits harder then Marshall? He doesn't have you ever seen Marshall fight or at least read about him he hit very hard in fact fighters like Burley (who was never finished in his entire career) said Marshall was the hardest hitter he ever faced and Burley fought everyone even Moore.

And Roy doesn't have many similarities to Bivins so why do you keep bringing him up and Charles was still a middleweight at the time and yet to reach his prime he was only 22. Charles showed amazing heart in many of his fights including the Bivins fight while the same can not be said for Jones in the third Tarver fight he knew his opponent could hurt him and was afraid to fight he barely did anything. Against Charles he would get hurt and depending on how he would react would determine if he pulls off the win and if he fights scared like he did against Tarver he'll loose while Jones can hurt Charles but Ezzard will still be going for the kill.