Charley Burley v Roy Jones jr at middle weight

Jones was a box office flop? I always thought he made big bucks, look at Mayweather, hardly very exciting, always the same moves with nothing new but the guy has been cashing in since De la Hoya.

 

Maybe lack of quality opposition or lack of $ makers?

 

This hypothetical may go far to separate the sheep from the goats. It's a great measuring rod. Jones has a monstrous following among serious modern boxing fans. He had a style that causes a severe case of infatuation for those who watched him in blazing color in the mid-90s throwing unorthodox bombs from off-angles at mediocre competition. Max Kellerman looks over at him on certain Saturday nights and he still coos with delight. Max Kellerman, who said Jones deserves to be up there with Robinson. Max Kellerman, who argued with Teddy Atlas that Jones could beat Tyson. You know what Atlas's retort was to Max's argument? Laughter.

His athleticism (and I must say it is heartening to hear Max and company finally recogizing the difference between "skill" and "athleticism" after all this time) was special and his performances against two great fighters and Ruiz solidified his status. Unfortunately, it also ******ed the perspective of many modern observers -even the gray-headed ones who should know better. A middleweight Jones was not unstoppable. He had a difficult style that pivoted off of speed and power and timing, but he was also a relative novice. His style at 160 would see him defeat many MWs from the golden era -but sure as hell not "anyone" and anyone who says he would is merely infatuated.

Jones defeat Charley Burley at middleweight? Nonsense.

In terms of greatness, Burley has the best record of Murderers' Row against his peers in that set. He fought seven members 18 times and was the only one of them to get more than one stoppage (3 -including the great Holman who has more defensive skill than both Toney and Hopkins). He also beat Soose and Zivic, and gave a prime Archie Moore the beating of his life.

Style? Ezzard Charles, Jimmy Bivins, and Holman Williams had the stuff to beat Burley. They were supremely skilled and orthodox boxers who beat him with advanced technique. Jones, for all his talent, ain't bringing advanced technique. He's actually bringing a style much like Burley, but without the sophistication and without the chin and -at middleweight- without the experience. He'd get stopped.

An aside to think about: Burley gave Chase and Moore real beatings because he had disdain for their bravado and cockiness and wanted to teach them a lesson. He hated arrogance and became an avenger of sorts when faced with it. What do you think he'd want to do to Jones after watching him rap about himself during his ring walk? I'll tell you this, he wouldn't be passive in this one -and that wouldn't bode well for young Jones.

 

Burley was too all round great for Jones. He's take away the speed and flashiness. Burley ud.

 

from what i see of the little footage we have of burley, he and jones have the same fighting style. this would be a close fight but i like jones. it's ridiculous to dismiss either fighter in this matchup. both are great, great fighters.

 

Jones lost 4 rds to a comparitively novice Hopkins. I'm confident Burley could win at least 7.

 

I haven't read what you just wrote but i know you've been an ******* about it

 

depends on your scorecard. hopkins may have not been in his prime as a fighter but he was hardly a novice. check some of his pre-jones fights on youtube. jones was too fast and used his athleticism to beat the orthodox hopkins. i have a feeling burley and jones would be an ugly fight with a lot of feinting with each trying to counter the other.

 

you should change your name from Liechhardt to Tryingtohardt.

Or just Liechtard

 

A bigger man beating a smaller man of similar skill?

Utter ****ing nonsense.

 

And you're probably right.

 

Do you know much about Burley? Do you have any idea what Burley did to large men? Do you know the difference between skill and athleticism? Between technique and talent? Does experience count in your judgment?

 

The trend of this thread was giving this forum a bad name. Somebody had to do something.

 

Jones. Too big, too fast.

I could see him getting cute and getting KO'd by a Burley right hand. Burley was durable and had power. Jones didnt have the best chin. But that would be possible, but not likely unless Jones didnt box smart.