Charley Burley v Roy Jones jr at middle weight

I voted for Jones but this is pretty convincing!

 

To be honest Jnr middle suits Burley more than Jones and i can see a possible stoppage late. Different class.

 

I think this is a pretty close fight...Both have the capability of taking the other out of their rythym for intermittant times. Both give each looks that they haven't seen before. Jones has the speed to use his counter left hook when Burley does three things he repeats during the Oakland Smith fight, when Burley fully commits to his left hook to the body leaving his chin in the air, when Burley uses his left jab as a range finder, or even steps into it, he drops his right hand, and when he fires long, looping right hands. Jones can beat him to the punch in any of these instances with left hooks. Burley would have to keep Jones guessing, and with his power he would get that respect...Jones has to commit to his counters by going into Burley, instead of leaning back (which he tends to do more often than not)...if Jones leans back against Burley, that long right hand of Burley finds him. Ther is a similarity believe it or not with Burley and Marciano stylistically, they both fight off the backfoot then uncoil into their offensive sequence maximizing their power shots. I'll just say it's a very close affair either way.

 

Max Kellerman would totally fellate jones if he had the chance. I like jones on the team, but i fear him joining permanently because of how much Kellerman will hang onto those nuts.

Good point about burley's aggressive look against jones though, but I can't comment since my murderer's row reading is limited as of now.

 

Yeah it's something called leverage. Both Burley and Marciano used their body weight moving forward to generate more power...Both put their weight on the back foot then exploded forward. Watch some film.

 

i disagree with you about the method though. Marciano may have leapt forward at times, but I don't think he fought off the backfoot, I think that implies emphasis on outboxing and marciano couldn't outbox his way out of a kiddie pool. I guess your phrasing confused me.

 

And I'm glad you did. Your post was very convincing. Just that there are posters UNinformed enough to suggest that Jones could come within a sniff of knocking out Burley...well, it is beyond laughable. Yes, some posters actually voted "Jones by KO"; something Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Jimmy Bivins and countless others failed to do...but Jones is going to do it??

Um, yeah...

 

I should have said it better...You're right Marciano definitely doesn't box off the back, but he did distribute weight to the backfoot, then to the front as he punched and Burley tried to set up his shots similarly in terms of weight distribution.

 

Despite all the analysis of this fight, with many having Jones winning..one intangible remains...a great equalizer..that is we all know, in retrospect, that Jones didn't have a good chin..in fact, he had a lousy set of whiskers..and Burley, though he may have been trailing in points..and by all intents and purposes could have been on his way to a decision loss..could have, if he's the dan gerous and capable guy that others so knowledgeable, like Mcgrain maintain, Burley could have captured lightning in a bottle, as did McCallum vs Curry...and as did 3 of Jone's own conquerer's..and stopped Jones with one well placed blow. That is how I envision a Burley-Jones fight would end.

 

I think you're just dead wrong here. Jones certainly wasn't among the great technical fighters, but he definitely brought skill to the table. It's a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar cry between what he did in the ring and what the world's best running back, gymnast or decathlete would do there if you brought them in fresh - even if you managed to meld them into one being. His timing, balance, head movement, leverage, judging of distance and accuracy certainly were skills.

He had clear flaws in his technique and was very dependent on his athletic ability, but he was also very skilled. Make no mistake about it.

 

With you on that Surf Bat - I see this as a hairline close fight - most people would find the fight boring probably but I would love it!! Both trying to out trigger each other and probably being ridiculously cagey - certainly right about they being no way on earth that Jones KO's Burley - no way - but he could beat Burley - I think Jones is one of the greatest of all time - fights like his one against Vinny Paz just blew me away completely - absolutely cintillating - then again I suppose all the true greats have one fight where they look absolutely unbeatable (especially the ones who are blindingly fast) - but Burley was obviously something very very special - something altogether different to anything anyone has really faced - so don't know - I suppose on proven-ness and calibre of opposition who they faced and beat etc then you'd have to go Burley - especially having KO'd heavies etc - but then again I really struggle in picturing in my minds eye anyone beating Jones - but stranger things have happened so I'll say Burley - by decision

 

Burley by a knockout...capitalizing on Jone's weak chin...and Jone's chin was weak while at mddleweight..just none of his opponents were as capable as Burley of taking advantage of that weakness.

 

Strangely enough these two actually mirror each other.

 

Very true. Going from the footage of him against Billy Smith (and that's about what's lleft, right?) he's, just like Jones, much more of a natural than anythinglike a great technician. He paws or leaps with his jab, uses his overhand right like a bludgeon on several occassions, keeps his hand very low, leaps in and out of range and frequently puts his feet together. This is not the mark of a great technical fighter.

But just like Jones he seems to have honed his natural instincts into a very well functioning and unique style. Jones is bigger faster and more powerful, though. So based on this footage, my money would be on Jones. It's not much to base it on, but it's what there is more or less, isn't it?

 

Somebody thinks that Jones quite good ring intelligence would play a role here? Or would Burley be able to negate that with his own?