Generational bias ahoy, but he saw or worked with a lot of these fighters, so I think his opinion is worth something. The list was made in 1968. Some horrible effots (check out F/W) but some interesting names... FLYWEIGHT 1 - Jimmy Wilde 2 - Pancho Villa 3 - Fidel LaBarbara 4 - Frankie Genaro 5 - Izzy Schwartz 6 - Johnny Rosner 7 - Johnny Buff 8 - Baby Arizmendi 9 - Frankie Mason 10-Zulu Kid Bantamweights 1 - Terry McGovern 2 - Geroge Dixon 3 - Pete Herman 4 - Kid Williaims 5 - Abe Attell Goldstein 6 - Charlie Roseburg 7 - Johnny Coulon 8 - Panama Al Brown 9 - Bud Taylor 10-Harry Harris Featherweights 1 - Abe Attell 2 - Johny Dundee 3 - Jem Driscoll 4 - Kid Chocoloate 5 - Owen Moran 6 - Eugene Criqui 7 - Johhny Kilbane 8 - Young Corbett 9 - Frankie Neil 10-Willie Pep! Lightweight 1 - Benny Leoanrd 2 - Joe Gans 3 - Jack Blackburn 4 - Willie Ritchie 5 - Freddie Welsh 6 - Tony Canzoneri 7 - Joe Rivers 8 - Battling Nelson 9 - Ad Wolgast 10-LeachCross Welterweight 1 - Joe Walcott 2 - Sugar Ray Robinson 3 - Jack Britton 4 - Ted Lewis 5 - Jimmy McLarnin 6 - Henry Armstrong 7 - Jimmy CLabby 8 - Packy McFarland 9 - Barney Ross 10-Matt Wells Middleweights 1 - Stanley Ketchel 2 - Harry Greb 3 - Mickey Walker 4 - Mike Gibbons 5 - Tiger Flowers 6 - Eddie McGoorty 7 - Jeff Smith 8 - Dick Tiger 9 - Frank Klaus 10-Billy Papke Light-Heavyweight 1 - Bob Fitzsimmons 2 - Jack Dillon 3 - Jack O'Brien 4 - Tommy Loughran 5 - Tom Gibbons 6 - Paul Belenback 7 - Archie Moore 8 - Georges Carpantier 9 - Jack Root 10-Mike McTigue Heavyweights 1 - Sam Langford 2 - Jack Johnson 3 - Jack Dempsey 4 - Joe Louis 5 - Jim Jeffries 6 - Gene Tunney 7 - Sam McVey 8 - Rocky Marciano 9 - Jim Corbett 10-Max Baer
Looks like he just picked out his personal faves from his youth and/or the fighters he worked with combined with a few of the more conventional choices. Some of those are just mind-boggling.
Well he's picking the best fighters he's seen, I presume, which helps explain some of the more bizzare picks. I think no room for Saddler is my favourite effort.
Which is what Bill Butcher on this board also does and his lists look similar awful. I don´t think you can rank fighters by seeing them fight. There is too much room for speculation. To judge them you need to see them though.
Of course you can. Nothing wrong with it at all, as long as that is what you are doing. It's when you try to create an ATG list based heavily upon your own opinions of their quality on film that objective mistakes can occur. In fairness, maybe that's exactly what Rose has done, though, I'm just speculating.
I think I dind´t articulate myslef right. Of course you can do it. But it´s unjust to all the fighters you haven´t seen.
Yeah, it is, what's extraordinary about this guy is that he was a fighter/promoter/trainer for the past 60 years, and saw more than your average cat.
It is interesting though, I've ot a list of Nat fleischers top 10 in every weight from round about the same year, I'll type it out tomorrow and compare. I think he had some of the more contemporary fighters in his list, Jofre for example.
Odder yet, given his bias, no McAulliffe. I would love to hear his explanation of his choices, or at least the criteria for his list.
