Chauncy Welliver v Raphael Zumbano Love - June 16

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Foreman Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:smoke

 

:rofl Look at you, talking like you're some big time badass. Sounds like you need a reality check.

If you get an offer for June 30 with Mitchell....if you are all that you say you are then TAKE IT and prove it for once!

Watching Mitchell beat you on TV and set you back a good ways will make a nice birthday present for me

 

Seems like you know your ****, what do you think Boytsov's next move will be? Personally i wouldn't mind seeing him fight someone with a pulse but i doubt that happens.

 

Why would anyone be so cruel to put Mitchell in the ring with Welliver. Chauncy would take a brutal beat down for however long he can stand and probably never fight again after the pay day. I think he should just continue beating the bum of the month until the WBC ranked him #1 and sets up his funeral.

 

How many 12 round fights has Welliver had?

 

I don't know his next move, but I did read that Universum was considering throwing him in with a Klitschko immediately. I don't know the reliability of the report.

If the report is true, it means that Universum doesn't believe that they can improve Boytsov any further, and that they don't want to take the chance of him getting knocked off in the meantime.

Remember, with these undefeated contenders, they get their biggest paydays while they are most marketable, and that has everything to do with how the public perceives them. Therefore, it's better, from a financial standpoint, to rush the fighter into a title fight while he's still undefeated, as opposed to having him suffer 1 or 2 losses before getting his shot.

If it boils down to Boytsov and some other top contender going to a purse bid, to determine which rival promoter will stage the title eliminator, I wonder if Universum will be able to hold its own financially. A couple of years ago Universum lost a lot of its TV financing (the money TV stations paid it to develop fighters and stage interesting fights), and I don't know if they've recovered yet.

 

As for Welliver, it's since come to my attention that he's bootstrapping his own career. That means he doesn't have a powerful, or even semi-powerful, promoter to line up opponents for him. Apparently this is the reason why his wins have remained on "C" level so far. There's a lack of promotional financing to upgrade his opposition.

I wasn't aware of this beforehand.

 

The incentive for each side is:

1. Mitchell, in the event of victory, gets to take Welliver's 4 belts. This could set Mitchell up as a mandatory challenger for the K's.
2. Welliver, if he wins, skyrockets to the top of the ratings, and could become the mandatory challenger for the K's.
3. Welliver, if he loses but puts on a good show, earns respect, and big promoters will invite him back for more big fights.
4. Welliver, win or lose, gets the biggest payday of his career.

If you look at it this way, it's entirely in Welliver's best interest to take the fight despite being a huge underdog, and despite having to fight in Washington D.C. or Maryland.

 

I doubt Seth Mitchell could give a crap about becoming the NZ HW champ or the Asian Pacific champ or whatever crap titles Welliver picked up, it's not like he would be concerned about defending them.

Otherwise, your other points are right on. Whatever offer Welliver gets, he needs to jump on it.

 

After watching Mitchell the other night, well, he needs to go back to the drawing board. Vlad said he will fight Arreola or Mitchell next. Vlad by knockout!!!!!!!

 

But top ratings are often distributed based on who holds what belt, like it or not. I know it sounds crazy, but that's how the alphas do things. This explains why Mitchell would like to have Welliver's belts.

 

Often? I'm not sure I'd agree. I think more often is case that whoever has the money to hand over for a sanctioning fee gets rated.

 

The belt essentially symbolizes that the sanctioning fee has been paid. That's my understanding.

 

Welliver would get brutally KO'd by Mitchell, who would have interest in this fight without Welliver fighting someone top 100 first for keerist sake.

 

Welliver's not getting those higher level, "B" level fights because he is self-promoted. Welliver doesn't have the resources to pay one of those tough, gatekeepers to fight him. The only way Welliver would be able to fight someone in that category is if a rival/hostile promoter paid Welliver to fight the tough, "B" level foe. Of course, Welliver would be crazy to accept such an offer, because he'd get robbed.

If you look at it this way, you can see why Welliver's victories are all over "C" level guys. Those are the only ones he can afford to pay as opponents. So, Welliver's position ultimately is that he has little option except to continue pounding "C" level guys until he gets a big money offer against a star like Mitchell, on HBO.

I didn't realize this myself (about Welliver) until recently, and it's changed my thinking. I'm guessing we can't really blame him for not being able to step up yet: it's a question of economics.