Chauncy Welliver vs Helenius

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  1. Goodhill

    Goodhill Iron Horse - born to lose Full Member

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    Robert Brown ESB:
    Chauncy Welliver has been well established in the top 10 in the WBC Rankings, currently at number 8, he is now ahead of up and coming exciting heavy weight and possible contender Robert Helenius on the WBC rankings. Helenius appears to be possibly receiving a title shot and Welliver is stuck fighting lower ranked opponents despite being ahead of Helenius in the WBC rankings.

    Welliver is still unable to get a date with a marquee top 10 contender such as Chris Arreola who he has repeatedly challenged most notably on a previous episode of “on the Ropes” boxing show hosted by Jenna J and Geoff Ciani, on that show Welliver has also stated that he would like to fight David Tua and had mentioned that Tua had struggled with him in previous sparring sessions.

    So the fact that Chauncy Welliver has received ongoing criticism in the past is unreasonable and the criticism is unwarranted, Welliver has previously stated himself that he is not fighting the best out there for the main reason being these fighters will not take the money he is able to offer.

    However since moving to China for some recent bouts and with China looking like being the next growth corridor in boxing Welliver has a possibility of getting some fights with some notable opponents in the future.

    At the moment Chauncy Welliver seems to, in my opinion have the Aarom Pryor and Marvin Hagler syndrome in which he is a big risk for little reward, Welliver is a durable fighter with a good chin. Welliver has knocked out his last 5 opponents, granted they have been lower caliber opponents, but these are guys Welliver would have defiantly been going the distance with before his recent switch to trainer Joe Hipp who has most notably increased his power.

    These are the major reasons why top 10 contenders do not want to fight him because he always was a durable fighter with a good chin, but now with a significant increase in power added to his arsenal I believe that these fighters consider him too much of a danger for the monetary reward that is currently on offer.

    I do not see personally that the current broken down past his prime version of David Tua as a reasonable challenge for Welliver at this point of their careers, my personal opinion is that he will knockout Tua in relevantly easy fashion and Tua since losing to Monte Barrett is not the name at this point to get Welliver the recognition he needs to boost him into title calculations.

    He has also stated that he would like to fight Kali Meehan and Rafael Zumbano who is currently ranked number 14 in the WBO rankings, however since Robert Helenius is looking for notable opponents to build up his record and has seemed to have disposed of most of these opponents in relatively easy knockouts, I believe that Welliver would be the perfect person because of his durability and chin to see whether Helenius is ready for higher quality opponents.

    However because of their relationship with each other and the amount of exposure to each other that they have had something tells me Helenius’s management will be unwilling to expose the fighter to such a situation which is unfortunate because I believe would be a good fight and a good test for Robert Helenius, instead it appears Helenius is going after Alexander Povetkins WBA regular belt, which I believe is fraudulent and should not exist in the first place.

    I hope that Welliver is no longer stuck in the wilderness and after hopefully disposing of Rob Calloway which is expected in China, Welliver will start to get the recognition and due credit from the boxing public which now in a lot of quarters appears to be lacking.
     
  2. Goodhill

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    Why is Chris Brown comparing Welliver against Helenius? Welliver hasn´t really beaten anybody and Solis thrashing him around 9 rounds before the stoppage showed pretty much that he´s not really a threat to the top HW´s.

    And WBC´s ranking comparison tells only something about WBC and that Chris is rooting a bit too much for Welliver.

    Robbe would KO Welliver and that fight wouldn´t be interesting at all.

    Solis vs Helenius, that would be much more intriguing
     
  3. Boxing Girl

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    That was 50 lbs and only 1 weeks notice ago....The Welliver we see today would give Solis a different fight, and would have a good shot of beating him
     
  4. Goodhill

    Goodhill Iron Horse - born to lose Full Member

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    I have a completely different opinion, skills -wise Solis is superior to Welliver and Solis would toy with him in the ring even if Welliver was lighter.

    I understand that Chauncy is your co -host and apparently a great person, but objectively looking at his performance in the ring (I have only seen that Solis -fight though) I don´t see him being a threat to any of the top HW´s.
     
  5. SimplyTheBest

    SimplyTheBest Heavyweight Destroyer Full Member

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    Solis is an Olympic gold medalist. Solis will beat Welliver 10 out of 10 times, no matter what shape Welliver comes at. Solis simply has better skills, experience and pedigree. The only thing that Solis probably doesn't have is motivation. If an unmotivated, fat and lazy Solis can TKO Welliver, that says enough.

    Helenius has already destroyed 3 former HW champs. I have no doubt he would destroy Welliver also. I'd love to see Helenius do it, but it would be a big step down for Helenius and it would make no sense.

    Welliver is stuck calling out the old shot has beens and never weres, and whoever else will accept fighting for a purse of malt liquor.
     
  6. Straight Shoota

    Straight Shoota Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Put it this way..his next fight is against Rob Calloway...and its by farrrrrrrr the biggest fight of his career(other than solis)...btw its a washed up retired calloway to boot.i do admire the way he calls out people,but nothing ever comes of it and its not a good look for him at all.Then his fans will say,his ranked top 10 bla bla,well if im fighting for regional titles and paying sanctioning fees everyfight ofcause there goin to rank me,im paying there bills!...True or Not?
     
  7. rapidfire

    rapidfire Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Welliver is clubfighter-level, Calloway is a good fight for him, about the same level. When he wins this fight, maybe a Monte Barrett-type of fighter, but i guess Barrett is way too much for him.
     
  8. Farmboxer

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    Helenius would knock Welliver out!
     
  9. macp1

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    The Welliver that fought Solis isnt the same guy as today, but no one can convince anyone of that until after you see his next few fights. The guys still young and hungry, just growing into his prime now. Anyone remember a young Wlad? I wonder how long it took him to mature into the fighter he is today, and he has around 7 years on Chauncy.

    Reserve your judgement on this until October 4th. Ill make sure to bump this
     
  10. Blake Rayne

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    Welliver is still young, has started taking his physical training seriously and has alot of experience ( no matter how you rate his opposition). Helenius may be ahead of him but until Welliver gets a fight against someone ranked, who knows?

    Maybe Welliver should of stayed overweight. Vitali may of given him a title shot that way.

    Also, **** Solis.

    Vitali TKO1 Solis :yikes
     
  11. macp1

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    Couldn't have said it better! I bet he stays active, fights again before the end of the year, and then a contender will have no choice but to face him. I'm saying TKO3 over Calloway
     
  12. Goodhill

    Goodhill Iron Horse - born to lose Full Member

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    Chauncy´s own words on the article
    "me, Messer, or nobody apart of my team wrote this. I want to fight somebody decent. We have the $ to do so in China now and hope before years end, at the very least, start of next year, we have a McCall, Zumbano, Molina, or somebody like that lined up. I know McCall will fight anytime but as I have stated before, we must wait for the next date in China. There is just no money here in the States and I am glad Chinas program is off the ground and rolling. They will have world class events and I will be apart of them. We will fight top 10 guys in 2012 and you can mark my words on that one."

    Good news and realistic plans. Hope that pro boxing wins ground in China.
     
  13. Cachibatches

    Cachibatches Boxing Junkie banned

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    Good luck to Chauncey, I hope he does well. But keep him away from Solis and Helenius. He doesn't need any part of an Olympic gold medalist who might actually start taking his career seriously, or a guy who is nearly 6'7 with a solid amatuer background and power in either fist.

    Go the Ray Austin route. Or someone shot with a high rating, like Rahmen.
     
  14. Blake Rayne

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    China is becoming a huge sporting market. They are eating everything up. Great for boxing. **** the naysayers our sport will always survive.

    One
     
  15. Cachibatches

    Cachibatches Boxing Junkie banned

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    Boxing has been around since at least the time of the ancient Greeks- it ain't going anywhere.

    I am an American, but I openly admit that when Americans say "boxing is dead," what they mean is that that heavyweight cahmpion is not an American. And that is kind of sad.