"Chavez-Camacho" from 1992. Chavez great; Camacho drained?

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  1. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fellas,

    I have my tape of "Chavez-Camacho" on the VCR rolling. I'm doing the review right now..

    I am not biased or partial against or favorable to either vato going into this fight on PPV. I just wanted a good fight to occur.. However, what we got was a one way beat-down...

    Look, like it or not, but word through the grapevine was, Hector Camacho struggled hard to make 140 pounds by the fall of '92... After all, Camacho was 148 pounds just a month earlier when he won a fight on HBO in a "Tune-Up" fight... Still, aside from all the bull****, Camacho clearly lost his ass against J.C. Chavez in 1992 at 140 pounds... In my book, Chavez was comfortable at 140 pounds, while Camacho was slightly drained...

    I think if this fight had occurred in 1992 at a weight of 145 pounds, we might have seen a better and more even type of fight... Why? Because Chavez never really ever fought a great fight at Welterweight... Every fight above 140 pounds that was of note, Chavez either struggled or basically lost....

    NOW! The "FREAKY" thing here is, Camacho and company whined about the weight of 140, but its Chavez who looks physically bigger than Camacho here in this fight of 1992.... Bizarre......

    C'mon back......:rasta

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  2. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Camacho might have been drained because Chavez swept the fight 12-0 (11-1 at worst)

    I think most expected a Chavez victory but in a good competitive fight.... I thought JCC boxed brilliantly tho TBH & (assuming Camacho WAS drained) Im not sure what a fully fit Camacho could have done too differently, his gameplan seemed fine to begin with, speed, movement, in & out, dont trade in close... but JCC just seemed one step ahead the entire fight & was the ring general from rd 1-12.

    It was a virtuoso Chavez display, one of his best, they were kinda rivals - not in a personal sense but in Mexico/Puerto Rico & p4p sense - so I think Julio was fired up & he dealt with the speed & movement of Camacho by cutting off the ring with absolute precision, solid body work, switching to the head at every opportunity & just basically controlled the tempo of the entire fight.

    This was probably the last time the REAL Chavez showed up... he was still a great fighter afterwards for a couple of yrs dont get me wrong but he never looked that good again IMPO. He never managed that pace for 12 rds without visibally needing a break.

    Put Camacho in there vs the Chavez that lost to Randall & I dont think he looks so drained, personally.
     
  3. MRBILL

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    I think Camacho was there for the first "6" rds. It was the second half of the bout were Camacho looked drained as hell and powerless.... After six rds, I had Chavez ahead 4 to 2 in rds... Camacho was still in the fight.... After round nine, it was obvious Camacho had no fire-power and was looking to last the 12 rd distance... Camacho did seem weight-drained......
    :hat

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  4. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    Chavez needed someone to keep him off who had firepower and Camacho didn't have any. That is why Chavez walked through him. Camacho's punches did not have any sting to do anything to Julio and Julio walked him down.
     
  5. MRBILL

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    True. But, a guy who's strained to make weight can appear strong for a few rds before wilting.. Camacho was a perfect fit for that shoe... By round 7, he was done and overly defensive... He fought with no strength during the second half.... Meanwhile, Chavez looked strong as a Bull...... Cheers......

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  6. MRBILL

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    For the record.... I also reviewed "Robby vs. LaMotta 6" from '51 for review purposes the other day, and odd as it may seem, SRR claimed his camp heard rumors that Jake L. was struggling to make 160 leading up to the St. Valentines Day massacre.... SRR said beforehand that his idea was to keep LaMotta working hard in the early going; to drain / sap his energy late in the fight.... Guess what? It worked....

    MR.BILL

    Same with Camacho against the stronger Chavez.... Camacho was kool in the first half... He went to hell come the second half of the 12 rounder...... 140 killed him......
     
  7. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    He definitely didnt look at his best, as you`d expect in such a big fight, a fight that had been rumoured for yrs & highly anticipated.... but Chavez did look ON that night too.

    Ps. posting in this thread got me in the mood to watch this fight again & I did so last night.... masterful from JCC & a good fight despite the one-sidedness :good
     
  8. MAG1965

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    I know the excuses. But the fact was Chavez is a great fighter and Hector is borderline.. That makes a difference. I saw the fight live. Ordered it on PPV. I think it was Sept 10, 1992. Camacho was a punching bag later on.
     
  9. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Camacho was a fragile *****. I don't know why people continually make excuses for him. He wasn't capable of doing much more than he actually did in his career. If anything, he overachieved by staying in the big picture and going officially undefeated for as long as he did. He was never in Chavez's class.
     
  10. Rubber Warrior

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    I'll pass along your sentiments to him tonight when we speak. Not certain I agree with your first and third sentence...well I KNOW I don't agree with your opening line.

    :-(
     
  11. lefthook31

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    Camacho was a hell of a fighter but his mind wasnt always on boxing and staying in top shape. He was just outgunned by Chavez, but I knew he was tough enough to make it 12. I bet on that fight, Chavez 12 rd UD. :happy
     
  12. Rubber Warrior

    Rubber Warrior Resident ESB Soothsayer Full Member

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    If you watch Camacho in losing fights, his survival instincts were top-flight. The guy was a pro at holding and tying opposition up when the need arose. He was also tougher than many realize, taking his licks accordingly....and not quitting on his stool under false pretenses.....only to have fans make excuses and look to prop him up at the earliest, convenient opportunity.
     
  13. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    The Camacho who dominated Ramirez vs the Chavez who destroyed Rosario at 135...How do you guys see that fight going???
     
  14. lefthook31

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    I dont think Camachos speed and lack of power would ever be good enough to offset Chavez, unless they were older and at 147.
     
  15. MRBILL

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    What is really scary is, here we are now in 2010 and Camacho is geared to fight Allan Vester of Denmark for the WPBF 160 lb. title next month. Regardless of this being a bogus title fight or not, I'd lay huge money that Camacho at age 47 (Same As Chavez) would batter Chavez at will at middleweight here in '10......
    :hat:yikes

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