"Chavez-Camacho" from 1992. Chavez great; Camacho drained?

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  1. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I would too because Camacho could still move pretty good with the extra weight.
     
  2. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What a difference 18 yrs and 20 more pounds can make between two guys who fought in 1992........

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  3. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The hell is everybody and all the feedback? C'mon, now... Let's roll.....
    :good

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  4. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    True.... But Camacho has done WAY MORE at 148 to 160 pounds than Chavez has ever done up that high...... In my book, Chavez' best wins above 140 are, "Randall and Ivan Robinson" from 2004 and '05.....

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  5. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Alot of Mexican fighters who knew Chavez, like Daniel Zaragoza, say that Chavez lost the hunger and the dicipline he had after that Camacho fight.

    Chavez was the toast of all of Mexico, and everywhere he went, the keys to the cities were his.......


    .......having said that, JC Chavez was on his game.......probably as sharp and as focused as he's ever been........
    The big statement that JC Chavez made before the Camacho fight was, "Si Camacho me gana, no regreso a Mexico!"
    Translation, "If Camacho beats me, I wont return to Mexico!"

    .......you should have seen Chavez' face when he said that.....he was dead serious.

    Thats how motivated for Camacho, Chavez was.


    ......and now that I think of it, the two fighters that most offended and talked alot of **** in the leadup to a fight with Chavez, Camacho and Haugen, got their arse handed to them.
     
  6. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    The fight was a great redemption for Camacho..he proved beyond a doubt that he was indeed a warrior who was willing to take his beating like a man. In both his previous incarnations..as the whiz-kid, fast as lightning phenom pre-Rosario and the post-Rosario, boring, safety first defensive practitioner he was averse to taking any punishment at all, or of taking any chances that might have removed him from his comfort zone..but against JCC there was no place to run, no place to hide, and he sucked it up and admirably soaked up everything Chavez could dish out. I admire him for it, and like I say, it was absolution for all the years of avoiding punishment ala Willie Pastrano in that Jose Torres fight...Hector did indeed prove he belonged to the fistic fraternity.
     
  7. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Camacho avoided him for years he took the fight because he needed more Crack. If Camacho would not have postponed the fight so long it would not have been the "issue" you claim it was. He did not look dry and was able to run all night so I don't see how he was drained. By the way 3 months prior to that fight he made 138 1/2.

    Camacho simply did not have enough to even try to pull off a close fight at any competitive weight.
     
  8. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I went to see a fight at the Great Western Forum and and both of them were there. It was about early 91. Camacho went over to mock Chavez and basically Chavez told him to talk all he wants as long as he signs the contract as talk is cheap. I was close enough to hear Chavez say that.

    Camacho ducked him for about 2 years. Chavez stated he wanted to punish him as he was tired of all of his talk.


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  9. MAG1965

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    Camacho should not be considered anything close to Chavez in the ATG level. I wouldn't put Hector near the top 50 p4p. I do not think he deserves it. He lingers around fighting guys he should beat and then gets a fight against an older fighter and might get a win. That has been his career of late. His early career at 130 and 135 was good until Rosario. His 140 pound career was average, and above that is the fights against no names on Tuesday Night Fights. Above 140 he would beat mediocre guys and lose to the cream of the crop. Not really a great fighter.
     
  10. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Cheers for that, I just watched the entire documentary :good
     
  11. MRBILL

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    NO! It was May of 1991 in which Camacho weighed 138 1/2 pounds... Camacho W12 Haugen on HBO.... Camacho never saw that weight and year ever again....

    Come the Summer of 1992, Camacho was 148 for his "tune-up" and 140 for Chavez in Sept. 1992... After the loss to Chavez, Camacho fought in the low 150s through the year of 1993 before dropping down to 147 for his points loss to Trinidad in early 1994.....

    Camacho ONCE AGAIN made 147 for DLH in 1997 and that was it......

    Eversince 1997 and upward, Camacho has been fighting between 150 to 160 pounds......

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  12. TBooze

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    Chavez was not quite as marvelous as was in his 87/88 130/135 prime, but it was felt Camacho was due a beating, and who better than Chavez to dish it out?

    I gained a lot of respect for Camacho that night, he actually lived up to his nickname, for once, and took his beating like a man, to show there was some substance to the style.

    140/147/150 it would of made little difference IMO, both still would of been x amount over their peak fighting weight of 130ish.

    And losing 8lbs in a month for a boxer is child's play, it made no difference to the result.