Chavez needs to dump Roach!!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by brood3, Sep 16, 2012.


  1. Elliot

    Elliot Boxing Addict banned

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    Chavez needs to leech on to Roach for as long as he can.
     
  2. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Does every boxer in the world have an effective jab? Seen as it's so basic. If you didn't see what Martinez was doing with his own jab, then there is no point even debating with you.

    "Give me proof". That's something a 12 year old would respond with. :-(
     
  3. StillWill

    StillWill Dr. Eisenfaust Full Member

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    Chavez is a spoiled brat?!? I could count on one hand the number of fighters in the sport who could take a sustained beating like that for 11 rounds and come back to almost KTFO his man. JR surely has his limitations but there is no ground for attacking his heart
     
  4. Relentless

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    if chavez cant throw a jab he should kill himself
     
  5. brood3

    brood3 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Most of them do. But for some reason Roach's fighters don't seem to have it. Pac has the shittiest looking jab I've ever seen(thank God for the power left hand). Amir had a pretty good jab in his early years. Dissappeared when he hooked up with Roach. Seen most of Chavez fights. Barely see jabs.

    I saw what he did. He used it. Which is why he won.

    You sounded so sure that Freddie was telling him that in the corner. I want evidence, is that a crime?
     
  6. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Most of them do not. Martinez in fact has a very good jab, this limited any use of Chavez's jab, even though Chavez himself wasn't willing to use it.

    The sole reason for Pacquiao's jab is to set up his straight left, whether it be a single jab, or a double jab. It's not like a Cotto jab (powerful) or a Wlad jab (keep his opponents at arms length)...it's a range finder jab.

    Khan has displayed a very good jab in about 2 bouts, one of them being against Malignaggi, and I forget the other bout. He was with Roach for both bouts.

    Let's take a look at a pattern.

    Pacquiao listens to Roach and dominates for years.
    Khan doesn't listen to Roach, gets beaten by boxers he's expected to beat.
    Chavez doesn't listen to Roach, gets beaten...well, he wasn't expected to beat Martinez anyway.

    (Neither are on Pacquiao's level, and never will be).

    I'll repeat, Chavez was not good enough to jab with Martinez, even if he did try to throw the jab.
     
  7. TheRat

    TheRat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sergio had the Reach advantage over Jr..:patsch
     
  8. ayala

    ayala Boxing Addict Full Member

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    just like everyone blaming scully for dawson come on it's not the trainers fault when a fighter loses by a wide margin. next it'll be mayweather if he loses they'll say he should had left roger
     
  9. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    This. Daddy bought the best trainer for his son. Its not Roach's fault Jr. is a spoiled rich kid that doesnt take the sport seriously.
     
  10. brood3

    brood3 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    All jabs are range finders. Thats one of the main points of it.

    I did say he had a pretty good jab in his early years. He stopped using it after the Maidana fight.


    Debatable, he's had some freindly matchmaking over the years.
    Expected to beat? Come on, I think your short changing the talents of Lamont and Danny. Yeah Khan was hyped hard by the media. But I didn't buy it. I knew his fights with both men were not gonna be easy.

    And I repeat, I disagree. I think Chavez is good enough. He showed his potential in this fight. Even though he lost by a wide margin. He needs to improve on his skills with a trainer. Being 26 he has time. I just don't think Roach is the man to do it.
     
  11. Zerwas1

    Zerwas1 Active Member Full Member

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    Chavez just has no talent. 48 pro fights and can't throw any punch properly...gtfo
    slow jab, haymakers etc.

    He destroys his brain by draining himself over 20pounds. He's lucky his brain ain't that good anyway.
     
  12. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    :lol:

    You're on point today Chief.
     
  13. ayala

    ayala Boxing Addict Full Member

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    just like everyone blaming scully for dawson come on it's not the trainers fault when a fighter loses by a wide margin. next it'll be mayweather if he loses they'll say he should had left roger
     
  14. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member

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    Jr doesn't take boxing serious. He is out of shape. Doesn't show up to training.

    It doesn't matter who they have in his corner. He doesn't listen. He is a spoiled kid who got a to of breaks cause of his name.

    Last night he got his ass whooped because of himself.
     
  15. brood3

    brood3 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I didn't blame Scully. I blamed Dawson for agreeing to the weight.

    And Mayweather unlike Chavez is a complete fighter. So I have no clue what you could blame Roger for.