Chavez sr vs Duran

I don't recall Chavez being hurt until he got past his peak at 140lbs. I'm mean really hurt, " "buckled" "stepping in post holes" "on ***** street" or as the mighty Bert Cooper would say "he's was buzzin"
He was one of the few fighters that had that badge of honor in a way. Hagler had it LaMotta etc.
In a matchup like this I think Duran's right hand lead would change that. His lead was quick and he timed it well. It wouldn't be a good time or opponent for Chavez to have experience the first time.

 

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Hey man, not going to take major issue with anything you've said except you maybe misquoted me as saying Chavez was a sucker for the right hand. Maybe someone else said that in the thread but pretty sure it wasn't me.

Anyway, fully agree that the 87 Chavez that beat Rosario would have been as tough a fighter as Duran would have faced at lightweight.

I think this is a really competitive fight and if I have Duran winning, I don't have him winning easily, that's for sure.

And it's all good. Always got respect and time for your views!

 

Lol my apologies! I went back through the thread and it was not you! Bad memory but both names started with the letter J...I just need to pay closer attention next time. Again apologies for misattributing that statement to you!

 

Duran by close decision. He was better defensively. They are comparable in other departments.

 

How can you not know that Chavez/Randall was at 140 lbs. Anyway, Chavez was starting to slide when he faced Randall. Other than being above his prime weight, Duran was closer to his prime form when he fought Leonard than Chavez was against Randall.

 

Fair enough.

 

Loved both posts and I'm glad you took the time to illustrate why you think someone has an advantage here or there. I obviously disagree on some parts of it, and feel the other guy has the edge, but who cares, it's only me and I don't see the need to pick apart an excellent post just because my view is different. I think it's a competitive fight, and Duran would have to be ready and motivated with his workman like hat on to win

 

Lol I appreciate the kind words and thoughtful reply. I don’t expect anyone to be swayed by my post or observations. But I did have fun doing this exercise....at first I was mildly irritated (my apologies if I didn’t disguise it), by being called out on a hypothetical prediction. But when challenged I decided to take a deeper look at both guys, and came away with a better understanding (even if others may not see it like me!) and appreciation of both guys. I can generally tell who I want in a hypothetical but without reviewing multiple guys in several fights over a period of time there are more guesses and hunches at work....now I assume this is still a lot of guess work and hunches even after watching them both but I think in this case the contest would be close either way, and epic (unfortunate they missed each other’s best years) to witness.

Anyway I plan to do this in the future and would not have done so if you hadn’t challenged me on it....so a delayed thank you! Have a good day my friend!

 

It's all good Philly - no worries. A couple of outstanding posts explaining your position. I have it close but to Duran but it would have been great to watch regardless.

And I'm going to watch Chavez-Rosario again off the back of your post so thanks for the inspiration!

 

Thanks for the interesting reply....I hadn’t thought about this category before and not sure what terminology I would use, although I would classify it as an intangible of sorts and very difficult to describe, articulate and nearly impossible to quantify.

I did notice something in this regard during watching them. But not sure who it would give an advantage to.

Chavez was very similar to Sal Sanchez in this regard although Sal seemed extroidinary at it. Chavez was very rarely emotional or reactionary whether he had landed hard or been landed hard on, giving little if any reaction to being hurt angry frustrated pleased etc. making it difficult to tell if he was hurt although he may not have been at this stage. I only recall once this happened to him and can’t recall which fight? I believe it was the closing of the Aguilar fight when JCC was going for the finish. He got open on D and very careless...again the only time I saw him do that. In that onslaught he leaves himself open and gets caught by a solid punch....reminded me of Jorge Castro vs John David Jackson but Aguilar didn’t have the power for it to matter.

Duran on the other hand was chock full of emotion. Almost inbthe vein of Morales or Pac. Sometimes he would snarl and growl almost. Other times he would laugh or smile and invite you in if you caught him good....but it never had a negative impact rather it seemed to challenge him to dig deeper, and what came next was usually him winning the exchange.

Not sure this presents an advantage for either one, but just another good contrast this time in personality demeanor and composure.

Good call

 

Hey here is my thoughts and card (for whatever it is worth lol) that I posted in the “what fights did you score today” sticky/thread.

If you watch it post some thoughts there. I would be interested in how you see/score it.

 

I second this. Good on you Philly for taking the time to reassess your views and reaffirm them.

 

I had planned to rewatch Chavez/Rosario anyway. I had always viewed this as the peak of his abilities.

 

Another poster falls to modern bull****. 15 rds. Period! Always involving a 15 rd era fighter. I sit here stunned. A whole fight is fought differently. Duran fought as he did because he knew he had 15. Just to make it 12 and easier for Chavez is bull****. This makes yr 12 rd ideas worthless. You're better than this. Another one joins the popular clique to fit in. (Bleckkkk) . Goodbye my friend. My 15 rd posters and me shall ride alone.