chavez sweet pea first time watcher

I truly hope you're joking

 

This fight really affected me. Almost gave up watching the sport.

 

:blood


Honest, Champion?

 

I would...but I am not!

 

Not really, i could never give it up. But being such a huge fan of both fighters (particularly Pete). That was my era and it was a defining fight. It really was massive at the time. Like Mayweather/Pacquaio type. When the decision was announced, having watched Pete put on such a masterclass. It was very disheartening to say the least. I was much younger then and i wouldn't sleep for a few days afterwards. Moaned, groaned and sighed for weeks.

I still hold a grudge against Micky Vann.

 

I agree with Phily in the sense that this fight its sold as Peas magnum opus and I just don't buy it. It was an 8-4 type win but not, to me at least, an epic win. I hear masterclass and domination and Pea won virtually every round and wonder what I missed. You want to see pernell at his best look at the second Ramirez fight when he did everything but **** in Ramirez' water bottle and bang his mother in between rounds. That's a masterclass. The Chavez fight was just a win.

 

A masterclass in patches. That sums it up better.

 

Personally, i thought the first 6 rounds of the fight were very competitive, and was a great display of technical skills shown by both fighters.

But after the 6th and on, Pea just took over...round 7 and 8 in particular were complete ownage on my man Chavez.

Whitaker definetly deserved this, as much as it pains me to admit it. Pernell won that fight, and was truley the first man to defeat the great Julio Cesar Chavez.

 

I honestly curious to see your scorecard and how you came to a draw in this fight...

 

The reason it's a masterclass was because the level of foe he was doing it to. When you have two all time great fighters....very rarely if ever is it a complete domination by either party. That is nigh impossible to do against an all time great. So, when the fight really isn't THAT competitive and aits against an all time great, that moves it into a masterclass.

 

I posted it in a thread about 3-5 years ago??? I don't have it in a notebook or on hard drive that I know of...I have been interested in rewatching it so perhaps this weekend I will re-evaluate it.

My memory seems to tell me if you look at the fight as a whole it is easy to say that Whitaker won...Memory also seems to say rounds 8-9 or so were wide Whitaker rounds....But fights are not scored that way, and I view it similar to Hagler vs Antuofermo I where Haglers body of work was much better and won his rounds more clearly, but not necesarily more rounds...I think people sometimes (not critiquing you personally as I am clearly in the minority), look at it as a whole....memory also says that the 10 point must system does not always address those issues.

 

I've seen and scored the fight more than a few times. Each time my score is 10-2 or 9-3 for Whitaker.
I do think that despite being ranked #1 or #2 pound for pound at the time. Chavez was on the decline.

 

The first 4 rounds of that fight are what I would show someone to teach textbook defensive VS offensive head movement.

I had Whitaker getting at least 8 rounds, but the rounds were competitive. Chavez never let him rest, great fight. Would have loved to see what a fresher Julio could have done, but this is a case of better late than never, when many times in boxing, "late" just leaves us with a bitter taste in our mouths.

 

Was a robbery but everyone counting "lowblows" against Whitaker need to realize he was retaliating to hip blows from Chavez which he was notorious of. Both great fighters and better than anyone now but I felt a match up lower than 140 would've been much more competitive.

 

I think that had pea been given the decision he deserved against ramirez, he'd have won the unification bout with chavez.