Chavez V Taylor I - Sheer heart & will were the keys in this fight

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Bill Butcher, Aug 2, 2008.


  1. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Oddly enough, this, despite being Chavez`s most famous victory was 1 of his worst performances in around his prime yrs, partly due to the extra poundage at 140 (his peak weight being 135) & partly due to his opponent fighting out of his skin aswell as being a fellow top 5 p4per.

    The most impressive thing about this fight & which made it runaway winner for FOTY 1990 (some have even said fight of the 90s) was the fact that despite Taylor being miles ahead, Meldrick kept going at that pace & landing more shots than Chavez in almost every rd, good hard, super-fast crisp punches bounced off JC like nobodies business but despite all this, the great Mexican just kept coming, walking thru hell just to land his own body or head shots.

    There are not many fighters in boxing at any time who had the sort of heart & will to just keep coming, absolutely refusing to give any ground whatsoever until they got their man the way Chavez did that night.
    The finish itself was fitting for such a huge & great fight, Meldrick wasnt in a good state to continue & the ref is not the timekeeper, thats my view.

    If the modern day youngsters were impressed by Margarito`s come from behind grinding type win over Cotto then they should check this fight out, it just might cement their place as an all time boxing fan.

    Cheers !
     
  2. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes, Chavez had great heart and will, but it was more than that, alot more than that, that got the job done vs Meldrick Taylor.

    Chavez imo was one of those out of series fighters that knew his abilities, his strenghths and weaknesses, more than any fighter I can think of.

    Margarito offered sheer will and pressure vs Cotto. Chavez actually fought within a game plan.
    Its a pity that the uneducated on Chavez just think of him a a come foward type of brawler.
    Chavez was not a brawler.....I would call Chavez as skilled an inside technician as there's ever been in boxing.

    This is the thing about knowing oneself as a fighter. Chavez knew beforehand he was'nt going to match Taylor's speed punch for punch.
    ....so he nullified it by using his parrying skills to pick Taylor's shots off, in the process, timing Taylor's shoeshine flurries and consistently unleaching right hand thunder on Taylor's dome.

    Taylor landed more, but If its about being effective, Chavez' punch connects were being more effective than the disparity in punch connects.....the sad part is that the people at HBO refuse to acknowleadge it.

    Make no mistake gentleman....too many of you need to get educated.....
    .....Chavez beat Taylor with more than just heart and will......

    .....make the ingredients being heart, will, and a big dose of Skill!!!:deal
     
  3. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    taylor wasnt miles ahead in this fight like some US commentators would have you believe. A lot of his punches were landing on JCC gloves and arms. JCC was getting in the harder and more cleaner, accurate punches

    if this fight was 15 rounds, chavez would of KO's meldrick with no controversy
     
  4. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    No ****.
    If that fight went 12rds & 10 SECONDS more.... Chavez wins without contraversy, Taylor was all done & the stoppage was correct IMO.

    As for me saying Taylor was miles ahead, what I meant was that on my card it was impossible for JC to win on pts going into the 12th, the HBO crew were watching a different fight, you are right about that, it was nowhere near as one sided as they were making out but I thought MT had enough rds in the bank to lose the 12th rd & win on pts.


    Divac....
    Believe me, you dont need to educate me on the skill of Julio Cesar Chavez.
    I certainly never meant to come across as tho Chavez was just a brawling type grinder with heart & will, JC was probably the best body puncher ever with that left hook & his jab was fast & accurate aswell, not to forget his superb snapping right hand lead. He was a superb technician that rarely wasted a punch & with Julio, every punch had a purpose.
    It wasnt just the punches that Chavez took from Taylor that drained Taylor, it was the ones he NEVER took with his (as you said) parrying, his slipping etc. he really was a master in there but to me, on that night, he seemed to take more punches than he normally did.....

    That was due to Taylor being a top tier boxer aswell as Julio`s style of fighting + the 140 lb limit, the 135 lb Chavez had better speed & reflexes & would have gotten to Taylor sooner IMO.

    :thumbsup
     
  5. Manos de Piedra

    Manos de Piedra Active Member Full Member

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    taylor is one of chavez best fights, meldrick taylor was a great fight, with great talent
     
  6. chino2dapiapimp

    chino2dapiapimp WBC Fecarbox champ Full Member

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    I agree that it is Chavez most famous fight he known for but it is one of his "off" performances in his prime. Chavez was a monster
     
  7. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But how many people really thought Taylor was all that terrific a fighter? The guy had fast hands allright, but he sure held them low. And he landed a high volume of punches but really had to put a ton of shots together to get rid of a guy. But that Taylor defense was a huge flaw and it was going to surface against quality opponents but maybe not against the 2nd tier guys.

    What surprised me with the bout was how long it took Chavez to get to the guy. Taylor would stand and brawl and Chavez really didn't get his feet in proper position against the guy to go toe to toe. I didn't think going into the bout that Taylor had the defense to go 10 rounds with the guy. But here he was well up at that point in the fight and Chavez wasn't exactly setting traps in there. He'd just eat shots and follow Taylor around & looked like he could end up losing a decision to a guy he should steamroll late.
     
  8. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    I thought Taylor was a superb fighter at the time.
     
  9. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What was superb about his defense and hand placement? Or where did he bring his hands back > punching? The only thing he excelled at was handspeed.
     
  10. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    What was superb about Taylor was his results.

    What was superb about Ali/Clay and his hand placement? He too excelled at handspeed.

    Regarding Taylor's handspeed, has anyone ever been faster? Taylor was a superb volume puncher with great stamina and inhuman speed. He also had heart and will.

    Taylor's win over McGirt is not to be taken lightly, and his other results were solid. His effort vs Chavez was incredible IMO.

    Each to their own tho of course.
     
  11. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    A fair amount of good writers tipped Taylor to beat Chavez actually.
     
  12. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Taylor was a force until Chavez ruined him. Guys with exceptional physical abilities: Taylor, Ali are a couple examples, often neglected being technically sound because they didn't have to be. You can't teach speed and reflexes, and Taylor had an abundance of both.
     
  13. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well. I'm in the minority then. I sure never bought into Taylor anymore than I did Zab Judah. Flashy, yes. But there are major flaws in their overall games. They have fast hands allright, but sure get hit clean a lot for guys w/ huge advantages in handspeed. At any rate, I didn't think Chavez would have any problem after about 4 rounds with they guy & would land far too many punches for a guy like Taylor to absorb for very long.
     
  14. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You dont get ruined from one fight, losing at the last second after winning 10 rounds. Where do you get that from?
     
  15. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I don't think it was one of his worst performances. On the contrary actually. I thought Chavez performed excellently against Meldrick, though he was clearly behind on the cards due to Meldrick's handspeed which allowed him to vastly outland Chavez. The hard shots though, the shots that eventually took their toll, were all landed by Chavez, who's gameplan and pressure never wavered, even through Taylor's assault.