CHAVEZ vs FLOYD

Well yes and no, because the Chavez that Whitaker fought was at welter and past his prime.

 

Floyd on points.

Edit: Chavez's best chance comes at 135lbs.

 

Paragraph 1. Mayweather him self for one it might take him a little bit to adjust but look at his recent win over Mosley and his win over Judah as examples. Timing is the answer to speed and Mayweather has great timing.
Paragraph 2. Why do you say that Chavez has the perfect style to get to Mayweather. Is it because of the first Castilio bout? Is Chavez also going to hold and hit? Do you consider Mayweather to be mentaly week? If you do than what makes you say this? Mayweather doesn't have to knock Chavez out he just has to hit and not get hit. Something he has showen to be an expert at.
Paragraph 3. I agree about Chavez having a good defense. However coming at Mayweather is not the way to fight him.
Paragraph 4. This is being the way Chavez boxes his best chance to win. Would Chavez get the chance to land all those body shots you say he would? Mayweather has a way of not getting hit. I think if Chavez is going to land enough body shots to effect Mayweather their fight would have to come before Mayweather faced Castilio. Mayweather has a way of learning from his experances. We are also entering the relm of mental toughness. Perhapps it is the time he spends in the gym but I don't think broken ribs would make him quit.
Paragraph 5. Why is comparing Mayweather to Taylor and Whitaker ridiculous? Taylor and Whitaker's speed differs from each other. Taylor had those rapid fire hands and Whitaker had the quick body. Whitaker schooled Chavez. That draw was a gift. In the first Taylor fight Chavez benfited from a split second judgment call by reffree Richard Stele. While he was not wrong in stopping it with :2 left. Letting the fight go would also have been the right call. While Mayweather dose not have the rapped fire hands of Taylor he still has punching speed. Also this is where timing comes in as a counter puncher. He might not move around as much as Whitaker but he is every bit as elusive. Mayweather's movement is often slight and simple which makes it hard to apricate the speed he has.
In terms of finding away to win I would say Mayweather is better at it than Chavez is. Chavez as I pointed out needed help against Taylor and got a gift draw with Whitaker. As for Mayweather cloesest bouts in terms of scoreing were the first Castilio fight. Most of the damage done to Mayweather was when Castilio held and hit. Why should a guy who holds and hits get credit for doing that? The other close bout was his split decision win over De La Hoya. De La Hoya started off really well useoing his jab which is how Mayweather should be fought if your goal is to beat him. However By bid fight De La Hoya's jab was no where to be seen.
Mayweathr has a way of taking things away from his opoents. I see no reason he could not do this against Chavez.
Lastly. I am not undermestaing Julio Ceaser Chavez Sr. or hatting on him in the least bit. I do beleve that Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a better boxer and would beat him if they met in their primes.

 

I'm trying to decide if I realy want to respond to you.
I do my best to respond to any post that is dricted towards me. There are some factors as to why I might not.
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Im geeing you up you little squirt...No need to give me an itinerary of your day.
I think you are alright....You picking Mayweather in every fight possible isnt an issue (well at least it an issue for another time), he is an excellent fighter but your reasonings for some of your picks crack me up mate.
The logic in them is funny sometimes thats all..Like your obsession with quoting heights and reaches over analysing styles in depth ..and as much as you think people are being narrow minded because they dont see it your way, that **** works both ways. You usually stick to your guns which is cool but when you get found out for getting a fact wrong or looking at something in an uniformed way, you just go away from that thread..you seem less willing to learn things and more interested in getting on your soapbox to praise Mayweather.

 

I posted this in other thread...its a breakdown of how i compare Whitaker and PBF against chavez if someone interested...

People who say PBF would dominate chavez the way whitaker and taylor did i dont see how you cant see that whitaker style and taylor were very different styles, first taylor dominated chavez because of his workrate and i know he didnt have very good defense thats why he took a beating and **** blood, broken ribs etc while he was winning the fight until the ko came, PBF doesnt have the half of workrate that taylor had(and i am a FMJ FAN) so i dont think thats an advantage for floyd... Now lets see whitaker defense compared to FMJ defense(i do believe sweetpea beat chavez)... i think sweetpea defense was all wrong for chavez, whitaker is the kind of guy that slips punches while he is countering attacking or anything while still moving and not staying in the pocket, he goes in and out with his jab and as you saw in the chavez fight he never stayed in the pocket, is the kind of defense that a fighter like chavez couldnt cut the ring because of sweetpeas footwork now compared to FMJ, yes pbf has excellent defense and one of the best atg but this is the kind of defense chavez can penetrate, pbf slip punches while staying in the pocket, back in the ropes, etc but his footwork is not compared with sweetpeas, but yes pbf uses his shoulder roll defense to handle staying in the pocket while sliping punches, the problem comes here, if you stay in the pocket against a fighter who is one of the best combination punchers(body-head) in history, even if you are great at sliping punches while staying in the pocket he will break your defense, what a boxer need to win rounds against a guy like chavez is just what sweet pea did, slip punches while running(footwork) so you dont let the guy cut the ring but thats not the way pbf defense work like i am telling you thats why i think jcc would be able to cut pbf the ring and penetrate his defense because even an excellent defense like pbf if you stay in the ropes or in the pocket against jcc he will penetrate your defense, jcc is not a head hunter, he throws cominations to the body and head, i do believe he would get caught by mayweather counter style but jcc workrate would make enough to win the close rounds and later in the fight he would break fmj down(i am not syaing ko, it might though)...
Another thing i dont agree with some people who say chavez was very slow, hell no, i am not saying he is as fast as fmj but i guess this thread is based on chavez prime not the one who faced whitaker who had lost a lot of speed, you can see his early fights, he wasnt slow, he wasnt very fast but he was above average fast, then you say he had poor defense, i really think jcc defense is one of the most underrated things here in esb, i think people needs to realize that there are fighters who come forward but still have a very good defense, and yes most of them doesnt have a very good defense(a very good example from the actuality is cotto) but there are ones with a very tought defense who gets in without getting caught cleanly, blocking and slipping some punches(the perfect example for this would be iron mike tyson), i am not saying jcc defense was as goog as tyson but you should rewatched some jcc tapes, i know you have watched plenty of his fights but most of the times you are so busy watching him how he comes forward that you dont realize how good he was as getting in without getting caught cleanly, most of the times he sacrifized being hit by a jab but he block or slip the biggest punches and when he was already inside he used his shoulder to block pretty much every hook the fighter throw at him, and the same shoulder was being use to open the opponent defense to follow with great combos to the body and head, so no i dont think he had bad defense, i think he had a very good defense, the main point why he got caught plenty of times against taylor was because of taylor workrate jcc looked like he was frustated by that and he got into a war and started throwing more combos without noticing he was getting caught with lots of punches but his chin made him the winner that night, but if you actually give space and time to try to get in(the way pbf does) jcc will get in without getting caught cleany, you frustrate him with workrate not letting him going forward with low workrate(thats what jcc used to like) and adding jcc chin to the table i think you know pbf punches wouldnt heart chavez so i think style favors chavez in this fight winning a not wide but clear decision possible ko in the late rounds(11, 12)...JMHO !!

And for the record I am huge fan of whitaker and chavez, i am a pbf fan and i respect pac...I also saw whitaker win against chavez and because of styles i would say whitaker decisions chavez prime at any weight and i do like a lot chavez just that styles makes fights...

 

...Floyd Senior?...Zat you?

 

At least I know at least one person acatuly reads my posts.
I believe that when used corectly heights and reaches are important. I also think when things are even or close to even in the skills/tallent/abillity scale. Styles and methods matter as well. Considering Mayweather's size, his skills/talent/abillity and his style/method. In my opinion there are not a lot of boxers and this includs some all time greats such as Chavez who fought in the 130-154 range who would beat him.
Also while I think he would be more compitive than most people think he would be hear and would give him some chance against anyone 130-154. I have not picked him in every fanasty match up.

 

it would be pretty much chavez vs camacho, only that chavez win it by closer decision not wide

 

At 130, Mayweather.

135 and 140 would be Chavez wins imo - he was a better lw than sfw to me. At least he looked that way on film.

Mayweather has developed into a strong WW...and he's more suited at the weight than JCC was, and I think he'd win here.

 

It's not out of order to face these together hypothetically. I edge towards Chavez though, this educated pressure is no joke. Plus he can box, but i don;t think that comes into play here. Mayweather i always say, his weakness is forcing the fight on offense, inside. But he is very good inside on a defensive note, throwing shots on the counter inside, and that would give him a good chance here. Chavez is very fluid though with his own work and picks his pnches very well. Floyd lures his opponents into a game of potshotting, by nullifying their combos with defense, he makes them feel the need to go shot for shot, and he'svery accurate and economical, so he usually wins that game. Chavez does have one of the most accurate straight rights going though, short and over the top, and with Floyd jabbing to the body so much, that right would be a factor imo. Chavez has versatility, which he is oftem not credited for. Chavez only weighed 142 for Sweet Pea and i don't see Floyd stylistically emulating Pea's performance. Close fight with many factors to consider, but Chavez is one fighter i edge towards over Floyd.

 

For me the winner depends on what weight class they where at. At 130 and 147 i'd clearly favour mayweather. At 135 and 140 i'd sway towards chavez

 

Floyd ko 12

 

that's one crazy person.. at least try to leave space between sentences is hard to read that ****.. not that i wouldve read it anyways

:hat

 

there is one big difference here, Chavez stayed with in weight even when entering the ring on fight night,, Castllio entered the ring in first fight with floyd weighing all of 147-149 a full 12 to 15 pound advantage against floyd who weighed 135 on fight night..