Chavez vs Sweet Pea. Who ranks higher all time?

What happened in Whitaker-Rivera 1, didnt see that 1

 

:nono Chavez win over Lockridge is very convicing,do not try and deceive some fans on here who have not seen that fight i had it 116-112 Chavez . Lockridge was competetive but Chavez was definitly won this fight convincingly! Julio beat up Ramirez, it was a diffrent type of fight. Ramirez might have won a couple more rounds against chavez than whittaker but he also took more of a beating,from what I remember chavez was giving him a sever beating before it ended only Ramirez rock jaw kept him up. Chavez kod mayweather twice(once in the 2nd round!) mayweather was competetive with Whittaker. Also how come every one seems to forget that Whittakers win over Rivera I was controversial to many, I feel that fight could have gone either way.

 

Very controversial many thought Rivera pulled it out. But many seem to conviently forget that one.

 

Rosario was a pfp guy at the time, when he knocked out Bramble,Bramble was like on mostly everyones top5 pfp list. Ive got old Ko magazines to prove this and when he had the controversial loss to Camacho he (Camacho) was also one of the top pfp guys. As for Whittaker and Delahoya being controversialatsch No way Delahoya won that fight, Whittaker made him look bad at times but by no means did enough to pull that one out .

 

Since you're into the boxing mags, go pull out your copy of the Ring Mag issue that discusses the DLH-Whitaker fight and tell me who they thought won the fight :good

 

Although Pendelton was a very good fighter. nono Do not compare him to Rosario who is a HOF, Pendelton is not and will not be a future HOF. You mentioned losses to Ramirez, well Ramirez is a borderline HOF himself and they split their series not a horrible loss there. Ramirez also has a win against Arguello are you gonna say Arguello wasnt all that either? Howard Davis is very underrated and was a slick and extremly fast and rangy LIghtweight who also held Meldrick taylor to a Draw(Many thought Davis won) also Randall was an exceptional fighter even at ayoung age , we saw how good he ended up being beside ROsario beat 2 out of the 3 u just mentioned and split one with Ramirez. You act as if Rosario struggled with just some run of the mill contenders.

 

Are you conveniently forgeting Chavez quit? Even if you didnt have Randall up it was a moral victory for Randall.

 

Isn't the best way to compare common opponents

Whitaker-Chavez - clear cut victory (Whitaker 2 years younger)
Ramirez - Whitaker outboxes him to a wide UD, Chavez's fight is closer
Mayweather - Whitaker wins a decision, Chavez stops him twice (Whitaker pre-prime)
Haugen -Whitaker schools winning every round, Chavez stops him mid-rounds(both emphatic so equal as Whitaker isnt a puncher like Chavez)
Delahoya - Chavez stopped twice, Whitaker loses a disputed decision (big advantage Whitaker but he was)

There isn't much in it except for the time they met each other and the DLH fight. I don't see any justification whats so ever for Chavez been higher. Sometimes a man who loses to another can be ranked higher if the other has had a much better career, much better competition, much better longevity, were way past prime or fought much better against similar opponents. Chavez doesn't demonstrate any of these, the only argument is he was perhaps past his prime or past his best weight when they fought but he didnt demonstrate anything to make use think he'd be competitive with Whitaker at any stage in their fight.

 

Had some mixed views especially lots of east coast bias swinging towards WHittakers way. I saw the fight with about 10 people everyone thought Oscar won excep for one............The black guyatsch He thought it could have gone either way. I had it 115-112 Oscar.

 

Yey you forgot to mention that Whittaker was closer to his prime than Chavez and that was also Delahoyas first fight at Welter. HE also was putting a beating on Ramirez at the time of stoppage.

 

Whitaker wasnt closer to his prime though imo, he nearly lost to Hurtado and needed a come from behind KO (which was f*cking horrible, might have ruined Hurtado that 1) in the prior fight and had bad performances against Rivera.

 

No I was trying to give an unbiased view,which is something you'll never be accused of doing on this thread :good Whitaker-Chavez is 1 fight I've never scored, just a clear as day dominant Whitaker win, which leaves no doubts Whitaker would always have beat Chavez. Do you think Chavez could have ever beat Whitaker?

DLH is a common opponent, both men were way past their prime, Whitaker certainly put a far better performance in.

 

Chavez was almost beaten by David Kamau for christs sake!!! right after his fight with Oscar he also was whupped pretty bad by journeyman Willie wise . WHere as HUrtado was pretty damn talented(better than Kamau) and do you wanna even compare wise to Rivera? WHittaker actually got it together against Oscar and was at least at 90% of his prime self. Where as Chavez was at about 65%