Chavez vs Sweet Pea. Who ranks higher all time?

I'd disagree on Chavez having the better resume. The best names Whitaker doesnt have are Taylor, Rosario, Randall, Old Camacho. Whitakers best not on Chavez's are has McGirt (twice), Vasquez (much bigger), Nelson. Both have other good names, but the best 2 from Taylor/Randall were very unconvincing performances by Chavez and arguably got 2 gifts.

Most would disagree with Chavez beating Whitaker at 135, remember Whitaker is considered past his best weight past 135

I listed those other like opponent, all were pretty dominating performances by either man, Chavez stopped more while Whitaker outboxed them easier

 

Both were great with solid resumes. Chavez did it more impressively in my opinion. Whitaker was one of the most boring fighters to watch.

 

Those wins are clearly below the wins I listed and some of them I listed, which makes me question your reading comprehension. Whitaker has plenty of other top wins himself that I didnt list.

FFS if your going to list the Randall 'win' why not list the Whitaker 'draw'.

But the real test of a great fighter is against the very best, Whitaker clearly did better against the very best as a whole, that much is unquestionable. Every unbiased poster rates Whitaker above Chavez, he was simply better and he proved it, get over it. I'm done with this thread.

 

Rosario was consistently at a higher level than Pendleton, but at his best Pendleton was not far from Rosario's best imo. Rosario had a bit more boxing skill, but not much.

With that said, Rosario should not be in the HOF imo - and I say that even though I think he beat Hector Camacho.

 

I guess that also explains why every poll I've ever seen on the fight has more people than not voting that Whitaker won; must be the east coast bias.

 

Let's look at their resumes side by side:

Chavez Whitaker
Mayweather-Mayweather
Ramirez-Ramirez
Haugen-Haugen
Taylor-Chavez
Rosario-Nelson
Camacho-McGirt
Lockridge-Vasquez
Laporte-Pendleton
Martinez-Pineda
Smith-Nazario
Castillo-Brazier
Lopez-Paez
Gamache-Jones
Parisi-Diaz
Alli-Rodriguez
Jakubowski-Hurtado
Fuentes-Jacobs
Mitchell-Lomeli
Kamau-Layne
Randall-DelaHoya (both arguable losses)
Gonzalez-Rivera (both arguable losses)

You can't go into their resumes more than this without pulling out cab drivers to show that Chavez's resume is deeper. I've relied on a few cab drivers in making this comparison as it is.

 

I genuinely can't envisage how a valid argument can be made for having Chavez higher.

To be brief:

- Whitaker trounced him h2h
- Whitaker won world titles in more weight divisions
- Whitaker has the stronger resume
- Whitaker proved his ability was greater by performing more impressively in more fights with quality opponents

Whitaker was just a more complete, more effective, more versatile fighter, and had a better career.

Is there a legitimate counter-argument to this? I can't conceive of it myself.

 

Chavez Whitaker
Mayweather=TKO x 2. Mayweather=12 Dec.
Haugen=TKO Haugen=12 Dec.
Ramirez=TKO Ramirez=Loss & 12 Dec.
H2H= Draw
Rosario=TKO Nelson=12 Dec.
Camacho=12 Dec. McGirt=12 Dec x 2
You can replace Jakubowski,Fuentes,Parisi or Mitchell with: Limon, Duplesis, Miguel A. Hernandez.

Nazario,Brazier,Diaz, Lomeli?!?!?!? They would be lucky to get "Cab Driver" status.

 

Did he ?

I thought they both won titles in 3 divisions.

 

Whitaker

Lightweight
Jr Welterweight
Welterweight
Jr Middleweight

Chavez

Super-Featherweight
Lightweight
Light-Welterweight.

 

But Who had more Championship fight Victories? Or Succesful Title Defenses? Or defeated more past,present or future World Champions?

 

Do you know the awnser?

 

It should have been 87-1 after the Whitaker fight, JCC came into that fight at 87-0, then Pea beat him.

(Unless of course you are talking about that DQ bull**** that supposedly happened when Chavez was a boy, I count that **** as much as I counted Griffin`s win over Roy Jones, I simply ignore the nonsense)

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