Chavez vs Sweet Pea. Who ranks higher all time?

Whitaker stepped up & beat Julio cesar Vasquez at 154 lbs (LMWT) for the world title just after beating Mcgirt in their rematch at 147 lbs (WWT) & just before returning to 147 to beat Jacobs.

It wasnt a great performance or fight for that matter vs Vasquez, Pea looked small & kinda fat, his movement was affected by the move up but he still edged a close but clear UD over a much bigger guy.
This weight didnt suit him tho & he never boxed there again.

 

Glad you asked that! Chavez holds the Boxing records in the following: Most Succesful Title Defenses=27. Fought the most World Champions=37. Had the longest undefeated string in History=90-0-1. Before his first loss to Randall. (Fight with Whitaker was in his 88th pro fight).

 

Are you seriously arguing that Chavez should rank higher, or have I got the wrong end of the stick here? Seriously??

 

This says it all right here. This is the same as the people arguing Tyson should be rated better than Holyfield despite it being proven plainly to the contrary in every way. I never even liked Whitaker that much (at least not above LW), and in fact I was kinda hoping Chavez would beat him; but the fact still is he did more than enough to show he was better, plain and simple.

 

But then who would you rate as "elite wins" for Chavez? The only one that would maybe qualify is Taylor. The others like Rosario, Camacho, LaPorte, etc. would all fall under the "good" category.

 

Well, I'm not saying All that! Just stating some boxing facts. They are both great Champions, just a shame they didn't fight with Chavez a couple of years closer to his prime.

 

Good point.

Personally, I did think DeLaHoya beat Whitaker fair and square, but even the fact that Whitaker gave him such a close, hard fight is a credit to him, whereas we saw Chavez get beaten decisively by him twice.

I would say McGirt was. McGirt was a very accomplished and highly regarded fighter around the time he fought Whitaker, enough to have been P4P rated. Martinez and Castillo were never more than just good, solid contenders who generally fell short in their most important fights. Mayweather was good, but never really consistent enough and too flawed to be considered on par with McGirt.

That's because there wasn't any major controversy about the McGirt fights. I've heard some people say the first fight might've been close enough to be a draw, but that's about it. Most considered it as a close but rightful win for Whitaker.

As for the first Rivera fight, arguably losing a close decision to Rivera was no more embarrassing than getting beaten decisively by Randall. Moreover, Whitaker trounced Rivera in a rematch and later went on to give DeLaHoya a close fight, whereas Chavez basically scammed his way to a controversial win over Randall and then was outclassed and bloodied by Hoya.

 

McGirt was definatly an"Elite" Victory. Buddy was at the top of his game & the dominate Champion at Jr. Welter. at the time. Simularily was Rosario, when Chavez moved up to challenge him.

 

You knew the awnser to your own question. Why ask me? :good

 

I would say rating Rosario was the #1 LW at that time is questionable, as his fellow titleholder was a fighter that had trounced him only a couple years earlier (and arguably won their first fight as well).

 

Whitaker without question.

 

Dont go picking little bits out of my statement.


Pernell's second win over McGirt was certainly more convincing then Julio's over Lockridge, perhaps the first wasnt but there is no debate there either...Dont get me wrong at all, Julio won that fight clearly the MD is misleading but at that stage he was looking a little weight drained and he wasnt yet the finished product, hence it wasnt his most convincing win.
You have to look at the context I was putting that comparison in. Ricardo was comparing Pea's wins over McGirt to Chavez's win over Rocky and others.

Mayweather was also relatively competitive with Chavez actually..in the second fight I mean..Pea was rocked in his fight with Rog with but put on a schooling/beatdown for most rounds..Just because it went the rounds doesnt mean it was competitive, as you said they fight different types of fights.

 

:deal That alone should put Chavez either in the top 10 pfp ATG or pretty damn close,and also proves hes atleast Pernells equal.:deal

 

Chavez did not TKO Ramirez. It was a technical decision because of the headbut. I'll only allow you to say he tko'ed Ramirez if Randall tko'ed CHavez. Deal :good

And Whitaker's performance against Ramirez, especially in the rematch is infinitely better than Chavez's against Ramirez. Ramirez probably won a couple rounds off Chavez. Ramirez probably won a couple of 10 second stretches in the rematch with Whitaker. Listing Whitaker's first fight with Ramirez as a loss is a joke.

As to the Haugen fight, just because Chavez stopped him it does not make it a more dominant performance than Whitaker's. Whitaker totally outclassed him.

WAR has already comapred the Mayweather fights.

I already mentioned M.A.Gonzalez under the arguable loss section.

As to Limon, at the time Chavez faced him, I'd say he was at the level of a Santos Cardona or Rafael Williams.

LMFAO@championing John Duplessis and and calling the likes of Brazier and Nazario sub-taxi cabbers. Who did Duplessis ever beat?

LMFAO even more at championing John Duplessis when he lost to sub-taxi cabber Louie Lomeli.

 

Yeah but who unified and cleaned out their peak weight division? Oh, wait, never mind....