Chavez will develop into an excellent fighter

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jack, Sep 17, 2012.


  1. loughlan

    loughlan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Eh no he won't. He is lazy, unprofessional and has an attitude of entitlement. When he moves up to 168 or above he's toast.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Right? :lol:

    "Oh, he's only young!!"

    "He's been at it less than 10 years!"

    22 year old Canelo has been a pro for two years less and is miles ahead of Chavez in development and has been for quite some time.
     
  3. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Chavez of the Lyell or Duddy fights is nowhere near as good as the guy who beat Lee or Rubio. It's only four years ago that Chavez fought Vanda, looked absolutely terrible and considered retiring. I remember people on here saying he'd never get close to a world title, which he did do, or that he'd get stopped by any half decent fighter, which he hasn't done. He's not great but to say that he hasn't come along is quite an exaggeration when he quite clearly has.

    Chavez from 2010/11 does not go 12 rounds with a P4Per and almost knock him out. He likely gets stopped within 7 or 8 rounds, if he's lucky. It's only four years ago that he was being written off entirely.

    Chavez in 2008 was awful, particular against Vanda, and in 2010 he was poor against Duddy. However, Chavez in 2012 was impressive against Lee and Rubio. There is a clear progression here and there's no reason to suggest it will stop. If the progression continues, what will Chavez be like in 2014?
     
  4. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    47 fights is not a lot when you consider he had no amateur experience. People say that fighters who are in their 5th pro fight or whatever are novices, but many of those fighters have had plenty of amateur bouts. You see people mention that Rigondeaux is inexperienced, but he had more amateur fights than Chavez has had rounds.

    There is still plenty of time for him to learn.
     
  5. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why, exactly? There's no reason to suggest that this is his peak. He's still young and has plenty to learn, so what reason is there to suspect that he won't ever improve? I don't understand that. Some fighters learn continuously throughout their careers. Just look at Pacquiao, whose decline was progressive until about 2009.
    Lee and Rubio are both good enough that if they'd faced the Chavez we saw in 2008, they'd have made him look silly. He would have been outboxed and possibly stopped by both.
     
  6. IntentionalButt

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    It WON'T continue. It hasn't been that much progress, and there's nowhere left to go. He isn't interested in incorporating defense into his game. He's still slow of hand and still plods around the ring.


    What's broken can't be fixed.


    He can keep refining his offense all he wants, he's still going to be nothing more than an alright fighter who pounds his way to victory when his opponents are smaller and weaker.
     
  7. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

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    haterz just hate coz chavez getting paid when their favorite fighters fight for sammiches in small halls :deal
     
  8. Undisputed

    Undisputed Cant G no other way Full Member

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    Chavez wasn't trying to set up his punches, couldn't cut off the ring properly.Loading up on his punches way too much.Hes got a lot to learn. Boxings a twelve round fight.You gotta give it your all from the opening bell. and not hope that your opponent gets tired and you catch a lucky break. He has the chin, power, and size. He needs to learn how to use his attributes properly.
     
  9. Henke67

    Henke67 One of the 45% Full Member

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    He's improved a lot in the last couple of years but I think he's pretty close to his ceiling. He can make refinements but he's not going to take a huge leap up in class - he is what he is. He could've gotten to this point sooner if he'd actually dedicated himself to the sport though.

    I really don't see Chavez having much success against guys he doesn't dwarf in size - he'd surely get slaughtered by the top guys at 168? He's going to have to move up soon and I don't think it'll be pretty.

    Middleweight is a really stacked division but I think his best bet is to stay there, take on superior (but smaller) fighters and hope for the best.
     
  10. shimmy

    shimmy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I feel like he can still improve some. Losing the Sergio isn't the end of the world, Sergio has been stopping everyone lately but almost got stopped himself this time. And Chavez was there til the end, taking his beating and never quit.

    I think we will find out how much the loss motivates him to improve, either it will, or it won't.

    I got this feeling right after the fight watching him that he felt like he won, even in defeat. What I mean by that is, something seemed to click in him where he was now sure that he did belong here in this sport and on this level. He made it, he survived, and in the process he almost took out the guy that has been dominating the division.

    He's never going to be so dominating that the outcome of his fights are without a doubt. He's not very athletic, fast or anything of the sort. But he does have a desire to win that can't be doubted. He was taken all the way into the deep end in the Sergio fight, and when I thought he would surely quit on himself, and really had every right to do so, he didn't, he made it over the hurdle, stayed in there and damn near pulled off something that would have never been forgotten by any boxing fan.

    He's good for the sport, no matter what, because he brings drama with him every fight.
     
  11. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He can still improve though. Sure, he isn't ever going to be a refined boxer but he doesn't want to be, nor will he try to be. If he improved his accuracy, upped his workrate, improved his defensive skills, had a better jab and so on, he would still fight in a similar way but he'd much a much better fighter. There is no reason to suggest he couldn't improve these things.

    He won't ever fundamentally change the way he fights but he doesn't need to. He just needs to improve on what he is doing and, since 2008, he's improved a lot.
     
  12. Sweet Jones

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    IMO, that's the problem.

    JCCJr had a MW belt, a Hall of Fame trainer in his corner, and an ATG (father) offering him advice. Yet by all accounts, he doesn't want to put in that 'hard work and dedication'.

    If he feels he 'won' after based on a Hail Mary punch and not quitting, he's not mentally built for this. He should be ashamed for letting this opportunity (chance to be the Ring Champ at MW) slip by. 26 year old, undefeated champs shouldn't be satisfied with that fight.
     
  13. IntentionalButt

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    :deal
     
  14. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jr is the type of MW seen on Friday nite fights in the 50's and early 60's who would win a fight one week and lose one 2 months later.

    Exciting, but plodding.