Chayaphon Moonsri 54-0

I'm no Mayweather fan, but the comparisons based simply by being undefeated are disingenuous. Floyd may have been strategic in when he chose to face certain opponents, however he faced and beat more world champions than any other modern boxer. Hats off to Chayapoon for his accomplishments, and hopefully he can keep it going. Lets be real, no one would seriously rate this guy among the very best. Its hard enough to convince folks how good Ricardo Lopez was, based on the low quality of opposition in the smallest weight classes.

 

That, to me at least, shows just how devauled the titles are now a days. They are growing by the damn year as well.... also how valueless they are when weight isn't considered. Like a win over Robert Guerrero at Welterweight counting just seems like a false comparison to beating him at 126lbs or 130lbs.

A big like Devin Haney or Gervonta Davis genuinely thinking a win over a 2019/2020 Yuriorkis Gamboa at 135lbs has any value. Yes it's a "win over a former world champion" but what real value does that win have?

In 15 fights Kosei Tanaka has 5 wins over world champions (former, future or reigning), Roman Gonzalez has 3 wins over "unified" world champions (Takayama, Estrada, Rodriguez).

 

Anyone in boxing would fight conor in a official boxing match because it would be a mega payday. That includes pac who has interest in the fight as well. Only a fool would turn down that payday

 

Just because Guerrero once made 126lbs, doesn´t mean that it was his best weight. Or that he was at the peak of his game at the weight.
Guerrero was done with the weight class at the age of 24. At 27 he was a full fledged Lightweight and at 29 he jumped to Welterweight.
You are making a case for being in his prime at around the ages of 24 and 27 solemnly because of him fighting at lower weight classes.
Yet Guerrero had a fantastic debut to his 147 lb run and looked in peak form at 135.

Dont confuse making weight with being at ones best. Boxers tend to move up in weight as the age, and with age tends to come wisdom. Or are you one of those guys who believes boxers make no improvements over the years of training?

 

More money in boxing than mma that's why it was boxing and not mma

 

A rather pointless question. Lets be straight, you yourself know why there is no point to it. Don´t act so daft.

 

How many "world titles" did Guerrero win at 140? 147? Even 135? **** off with the interim crap and the WBA special delivery, the WBA Fed Ex, he had won a legimate World title since he was was at 130.

He won his World titles divisions below where he fought Floyd.

His career record at 147 is something like 7-5.

I believe fighters can get better, but I also consider a win over Guerrero as a win over a world champion who was weights below.

If Inoue went and battered Knockout CP Freshmart it would also carry less weight than a win over a guy who had won a world title at 118.

As you said he looked his best at 135, not at 147.

As for age that's pretty irrelevant, fighters age different. The Kamegai and Thurman fights, his next two, seemed to age him a hell of a lot and they were less than 2 years later.

The point being, however, made isn't about age, or wear and tear, it's about the the over abundance of titles in the modern era. And even with that in mind, Guerrero never won a legit above 130.

 

****ing hell.

So we are going by just the paper value of titles, not the actual quality of opposition?

Absolutely true as Floyd was the first champion he fought at 147(as he skipped 140).

And he has been fighting clearly way past his physical prime. And 147 is his final weight class that he competed at. So it makes sense for him to pick up more losses there than any other weight class.

Um, true I guess. But he also established himself as a credible welterweight contender prior to facing Floyd.

CP isn´t a contender at 118lbs

Not what I meant.

Agree with this.
Guerrero aged rather fast at welterweight. His style did him no wonders.

Yet his best wins were at 135lb and higher; Katsidis, Casamayor, Berto, Aydin.

 

Well done! You've come to the original point I was making!

The "beat most champions" point allows for someone to pick a string of paper title holders, potentially from weights below, to run up a lot of wins over former world champions.

You focused so much on Guerrero being an example that you missed the original point I was making.

 

I see your "point" as being rather pointless tbh.
Guerrero was a world champion AND a top contender at 147.
Floyd deserves credit for that.

I agree with the idea that there are too many "champions" and it muddles the "achievement" of beating them. But even by modern standards, Floyd had an impressive run on paper.

 

All the guys you mentioned were champs. You call Hernandez old, but he had a belt. All the fighters you mentioned, except for Hernandez and Hoya got belts again. Pac and Cotto went even higher in weight after they fought Mayweather. Canelo had been a pro for 8 years with 44 fights. Green? Yeah, so was Sal Sanchez. He may not have fought everyone at their peak, but they were still good when they fought.

 

Excellent thread