Check out this latest Hatton interview, good grief

To some that must mean their all limited bums.

 

And? That's because he's beaten the top 2 fighters now that Campbell is gone, he deserves his ranking. And infact he's done more than Campbell anyway.

 

Could Cotto beat Hatton at 140 now? No. Cotto is not a 140 fighter just as Hatton is not a 147 figher.

As far as the HW goes I think they always get underapreciated in these lists.

Anyway to answer your quetion, imo: If Hopkins (ignoring age) went up to HW and beat Wlad and Vit, and then Valuev beat him - yes I would rank the win, but the rest of his resume would hold him back. Hopkins would need to establish himself around the weight first though for the win to mean that much. Your using a total extreme there though to make your case.

 

I was just defining what I meant by "at their weight".

 

i still dont know what ricky hatton stands for??? can someone please tell me?

 

There is nothing that says you have to move up in weight, and there is nothing that says if you fight at another weight you are then ranked lower and penalized just for taking on a greater challenge.

The be all and end all is who you fought, what condition they were in and how you perform. Naturally if a middleweight steps up and beats the top super middle that win is going to rank very highly as its a great challenge. But at the same time if you have great comp in your own division and you beat them...all well and good.

 

Thats the point. Theres nothing thats says a great deal about how these rankings are compiled. People either have their own way of making their lists, boxers they like/ dislike, they prioritize recent fights, career accomplishments, H2H, "skillset":roll: (bollocks) etc differently and sometimes to suit their aformentioned likes an dislikes.

In short, the P4P rankings are a pretty pointless exercise IMHO.

 

I know you were just using it as an example... but anyway..

I did read that he said he couldn't make HW, but could do cruiser. That was translated from Polish though.

 

There's talk of a Adamek/Hopkins fight. This is a far more meaningful fight than a Valuev bout because Adamek is the number one, whereas Nikolai is merely a belt holder.

 

Aye, but when you're competing against the likes of Pacquiao and JMM, who've beaten top guys outside their weight-class...it's hard to move ahead of them if you don't do the same...especially since they've fought each other in very close fights and since they're considered the best two in the world.

 

TBH Dece my post wasn't about Hattons P4P ranking, I genuinely don't care for the rankings at all. I was just making the point that there are so many "ifs", "buts" etc when people compile these these lists that any attempt at being consistent or being able to justify their logic over any length of time is very difficult.

P4P for me is to just be able to say, when you have someone like Ray Robinson or, more recently, Floyd Mayweather who were quite obviously the best fighters of their times, "he's P4P the best boxer in the world". As soon as people start making lists, swapping fighters around every month and trying to figure out who should go at number 7 or number 8 then it becomes a bit pointless to me.

 

It is a bit pointless and always has been ultimately very pointless.

But its fun and we've got **** all else to talk about.

 

Here's something, what would you make of a Adamek/Hopkins match up?

 

You wait until page 6 to tell us this lol

I agree

It's nice for the media to be able to proclaim somebody as the best fighter on the planet, and p4p means it doesn't always have to be a heavy

Thats about the be all and end all of their value

Seems to mean more to the younger crowd though

 

yep what else would we have to argue over.