"Cheese Champs" who got their "comeuppance" against the Real Champ

Bruno earned it though. He beat McCall who beat Lewis. Not King's fault Lewis couldn't take McCall's power.

 

Juan Coggi vs. Randall in their first fight. Randall technically didn't hold a title though, having been ripped off in the second Chavez fight. Randall was the "real" champ in most eyes and he easily took Coggi's WBA title. Sadly, he was not given the opportunity to get the WBC title back from Chavez.

 

Yeah, Douglas was the legit champ. He kicked Tyson's ass.

His lack of effort in defending his title was disgraceful though. 15 extra pounds of flab.

 

True, the point I was making was with all the other heavyweights in the top ten at the time, these 3 were like ducks in a row waiting to get knocked off.

 

David Haye against Wlad.

Haye won his title in one of the most boring title fights ever. A 47 year old Holyfield performed better against Valuev than Haye, but the judges screwed Evander. Still, Holyfield becoming a 5-time HW champ by beating Valuev of all people would just seem wrong. He won it for the 4th time by beating Ruiz when Lewis was the real champ. Tyson may have not been lineal but at least he had won 2 titles and had a claim as the top HW when Holyfield beat him. I know world titles don't mean what they once did, but still, some of these "historical achievements" so closely dealing with alphabet madness doesn't sit well with me.

Anyway, Haye defends against old Ruiz and Harrison of all people, then goes against Wlad. After trashing so many other HWs on their performances against the Klitschkos, he does the same thing, shells up and fights to not get KO'd. His defense was actually pretty good, much better than usual, but it came at the expense of his offense as he focused so much on not getting KO'd.

Then afterwards, he blames it on his toe and shows his foot to the cameras. LOL.

 

Well Haye did his fair share of cherry picking. I think Wilder uses him as a reference. But before David, how about some of those guys Herbie Hide fought? Man, lots of potentially good matches out there and we kept getting the C or B grade title challengers. Up until he fought #1 challenger Vitali, his resume may have been worse than Haye's.

 

You should go back and watch the tape of Frazier-Bonavena 2 and see Frazier dominate nearly every round. Something Ellis didn't and couldn't do and won by wider scores than Ellis did with two knockdowns. Say what you will about Machen but when Frazier beat him he had just taken Quarry's cherry in an important crossroads fights. It was as a bigger HW victory than anything Ellis had notched to that point and had it been Ellis in Frazier's place with the "W" it would remain one of Ellis' best wins. Like I said, when Ellis met Frazier he had exactly four HW "wins" on his resume of any substance: Martin, who had zero big wins at that point, Bonavena, who Frazier had already defeated, Quarry who even a severe back injury managed to hold Ellis to a MD that was a one round swing. So tepid was Ellis' victory in that fight that had one round even been scored a draw Quarry wins. And Patterson who beat the **** out of Ellis, broke his nose, dropped him and somehow managed to lose on the sole officials card. So please, lets not pretend he has this great HW resume. Regardless of how you choose to spin it Frazier had more emphatic and clearer victories over their common opponents when they met, had earned his HW ranking before Ellis was even rated at HW, and when they actually met he proved his point in easy fashion, twice. Sorry but your point that Ellis wasn't a cheese champ because he had better HW wins when he fought Frazier is ridiculous.

 

In the case of Ellis and Frazier, it's safe to say Muhammad Ali was the real champion.
At best they contested Ali's vacated championship.

 

I disagree. I feel Ellis' victory over Bonavena was far more decisive. I feel his victory over Martin was very impressive. I believe Ellis was a courageous fighter and deserves far more then to be referred to as a cheese champion.