Not many people looks great versus clotty. A prime Margarito got hell from him. Anyways if that one pound is the case. Maybe fans should start pusching for a rematch. I wouldn't mind seeing it again. Would be far better fight then marquez and Berto.
If it was up to me there would be no catchweight fights I dontn like it but at this point I did understand it. If this was a very close fight that pac edged out I would have agreed with you that the pound maybe have made a difference, but cotto got destroyed after a few rounds, I think it hardly would have mattered if he was at 147. Vs de la hoya he had to come up himself and oscar going down was a big task already. De la hoya called the shots and screw up his own weight. When pac faced cotto they wanted to make it more fair I guess theyw ere trying to keep pac at 140, When he beat cotto his team decided he was very much capable of competing at 147. Thats why there have been no catchweights at welter since then. I watched the clottey fight fo course since I liek cotto and it was a good fight. Close fight and clottey could have taken it but miguel was bothered by the cut. I the end the kd made the difference on my scorecard 114-113 for cotto where clottey was to shy to fire in the last few rounds. Do you really believe cotto would have beaten pac if it had been at 147. It seems unfair nowadays but back then I understand the logic behind it. If they were to fight now at 154 I think teh fight will be closer but pac still would win a wide ud.
Yeah, it was during the biuld up to the Floyd v Shane fight i believe. The full quote was.... "The greatest trick the devil ever did was convince the world he didn't exist. The greatest trick that Pacquiao ever did was convince you all that he was a small man! And he's going to keep beating the **** out of people who keep thinking he's a small man. At 147 lbs., Pacquiao is a small man like Mike Tyson was a small heavyweight" I'm sure you'll find it online where. He even said he was gonna put people out of his training camp if they asked shane why he's fighting a smaller man. (if the fight happened)
Once cotto has beaten mayorga and margarito bob arum will put him in there with chavez jr at 160 or with pac at 154, thats what I believe. I dont want to see it because I think cotto will get beaten again. In my opinion they ahd a good fight and they shoudl follow different paths from here, pacs should be amking his legacy better with good fights and cotto shoudl redeem himself eventually tring to capture a title at 160. But since pacquiao has said he will fight 5 more times after msoley the chances of arum making this second fight are pretty big.
and what does his fightnight weight got to do when they asked cotto to fight at 145 catchweight? i am explaining you the sequence of events why they needed to ask for catchweight. and about nazeem's quote, i think you took that out of context. he doesn't imply that pac is really a big man. he believe's that pac is a small man physically but because of his skills and talents, he can bang with the bigger guys at welter. go and understand what he really means with that. pac was coming form 140 and just weighed 138 in his last fight, cotto was coming from 147 and weighed 146 in his last fight. cotto and pac both accepted 145 as a fair weigh and both of them encountered no problem weighing. on fight night, cotto looks pretty good until pac lured cotto into his gameplan.
Yeah thats the thing that has me sold that Cotto was weak for the fight, he boxed well the first few rounds, had the jab working, then just seemed to jump about on his toes after getting dropped. Steward says Cotto's body broke down after 3, an that he had nothing left, which could be a sign that cutting that extra pound wasn;t a good idea. Of course i still have an open mind to it, Pac may well have beat Cotto at 147 anyway, i mean the fight could've played out the same way, Its just my opinion that Cotto wasn't 100% that night an the weight issue played a part. I'm not discrediting Pac for the win i just don't hold it as high as others do, considering the circumstances. Pac vs Cotto 2 @ 154 is a great idea. I'd defo buy:good
Oki fair enough, I think it was the second kd that stopped cotto form being competitive. The first was just a flash kd and had to do with him being of balanced more then being punched hard. The second did hurt him tough and he was getting beaten aroudn since then. At 154 Maybe he doenst get hurt like that and has a good gameplan with steward, so it will be a more competitive fight I think. Pac is planning to fight 6 times, I definitely see arum putting cotto 2 in there probably somehwere in 2012.
I'm explaining to you that there becomes a point when cutting so much weight becomes dangerous for a fighter, every individual will be different and this changes over time. Just becauce i am able to cut to 140 today, doesn't mean i'll be able to do it 1 year later an get the same results. Fight night weights very important, as that is the weight they are fighting at, not what they weighed in. Some guys are able to cut 15lbs or so, some guys can only cut 5lbs. You can have 2 guys in the same division, lets say 168lbs, if the guy that can only cut 5lbs weighs in at 168 on the button an a guy that can cut 12lbs weighs in at 166lbs does that mean the fella that weighed 168 would be the bigger man in this fight. Even tho he comes into the ring at 173 and the other guy rehydrates up to 180lbs? I guess what you're saying is that Pac was only 138lbs when he fought Hatton? even tho he was 144lbs (might have that wrong, could be 146) fight night against Marquez 2? And Brother Naz was talking about weight when he was talking about Pac, he says he's only small in height, like Tyson was for a heavyweight. Brother Naz knows the score with cutting weight an thats what he meant by convicing the world he's a small man. But thats a crazy bit of spin you put on it. fair play.
what i'm explaining to you is the sequence of events why the need to ask for a cacthweight. you seem to think that pac already fought oscar at 147 so why they fought cotto at 145? but you forgot that pac did went down to 140 to fight hatton before the cotto fight. many people thinks pac's performance at 147 was fluke and he was still not a true welter thus pac (roach actually) asking for a cacthweight fight after weighing just 138 in his 140 fight with hatton is just fair. it's not even a spin. pac was actually a small man even at welter never mind light middle. pac was weighing around 147 and 148 pounds on fight night in his two fights at the weight. meanwhile, those real welters will weigh around 155 pounds or more. nazeem meant in that quote what i explained earlier.
I'm not knocking your opinion, I just don't believe there was any need for a catchweight, i think the only reason for the catchweight was to give Pac an advantage, so does Roach with his 'the weaker he is the better' comment. You make a fair point about Pac's first win at WW but i don't think you understand what i was saying. Look what happened to Oscar when he tried to cut so much weight? Now he was dead on his feet to start with but its not beoyned the realms of possiblity that cutting to 145 made Cotto weak after a few rounds. (like Steward said) How you can get what you said from Brother Naz' quotes is quite frightening, i don't think you realise how long Pac has been entering the ring on fight night in the WW range - 140+. Brother Naz clearly states he himself was once 106lbs too, that people grow, the whole conversation was about weight. That Pac is small only in height he said, like Tyson was for a HW. But boxing doesn't have height classes, only weight ones. which is why its not rare to see a 5'6 man fight a 5'11 one. No mention of skills and talent.
cotto being weak after a few rounds has more to do with him being lured by pac into am excahnge instead of a jabbing (boxing) game, where cotto did well during the first 2 rounds. pac lured him by giving cotto the confidence when pac stayed on the rope and let cotto get in some of his body shots. after the knockdown, it was all downhill for cotto and that was the supposed "being weak" that you are trying to say as the reason. nazeem is not implying that pac is big welter but he says that the biggest mistake that pac's opponent will make is to think that he is not a real welter meaning he can bang it up with them but not necessarily that he is a big man himself. common, even todays lightweights and jr. welters weight more than pac come fight night.
Yeah i said i've an open mind to the Cotto fight, the same thing could've happened anyway if Cotto was allowed to weigh in at the proper WW limit. I mean you could be 100% right about it but for me there's still question marks, an having did cut runs myself i know theres a point were your gonna feel weak after expending energy, which is why i don't rate it as high as some other posters. Yeah i'm not saying he's a big welter, Naz is basically saying anyone who thinks Pac's a small man at 147 is gonna get their ass handed to them, that i'll agree with.
Pac-Cotto rematch didnt happen cause Cotto demanded that Pac take steroids tests. Pac-Clottey was a FIXED FIGHT. Pac-Margarito was a FIXED FIGHT. Pac-DElaHoya was a FIXED FIGHT. Pac is a fraud, that uses undetacble Steroids and other PED's. Pac is a cherrypicker, that ducks many tough challenges, and cherrypicks easy fixed fights, with the help of steroids.
Three years ago, if anybody said Pacquiao was gonna go on to beat De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey and Margarito in succession, they would have been utterly ridiculed. Now, after he's actually done it, he cherry picked them all. Just ****ing stop it.