Chin, Punch Resistance, Recovery. Don't get it twisted.

Chin/glass jaw/punch resistance is mostly semantics for me. I may be wrong, but 'chin/glass jaw' seems to get used interchangeably in place of punch resistance to punches anywhere to the head. It's a bit of a misnomer, but most people understand that when you get hit high on the head, and show poor resistance to that, that the phrase glass jaw is going to get thrown around. Haye gets labelled glass jawed despite the fact that all the punches that have visibly scrambled his senses have typically been high on the head. That's fine, I understand what people are saying when they use that phrase, I don't assume that they mean shots specifically to his jaw because that's how the phrase is used.

There may be a discrepancy between a fighters resistance to shots to the jaw and temple, but I believe there is a strong enough correlation between the two that I don't find it particularly useful to make a distinction.

The poor punch resistance is what resulted in him going down. Terrible recovery is what resulted in him not recovering.

A fighter with a fantastic chin that goes down has either been with a well time shot, hit by heavy handed puncher, or they were in a poor position and their balance was off (or some combination of the three). The amount that you have to recover after a punch is part and parcel of what a bad chin is in my opinion. If your chin is great, then you don't get hurt enough to even need to recover that much. The amount that Eubank had to recover after that shot from Joe was nowhere near as much as Price had to recover after the shot from Thompson. The reason there was a difference is because of their punch resistance. Price just happened to have crap recovery, and Eubank very good recovery.

I think you are separating punch resistance and recovery too much. One can compensate for the other to some degree. Taking repeated hard shots has a hell of a lot to do with chin/punch resistance (or whatever term you want to use), it can also have a lot to do with recovery. If your chin is so good that you barely need to recover from a shot, then you don't necessarily need exceptional recovery. If your chin is crap, but your recovery is great, then you are going to go down but keep getting up if you are taking repeated hard shots.

Khan has a crap chin, good recovery, but poor boxing brain under pressure (hence why until his last fight I barely even remember him clinching when hurt - something which he must have had drilled into him by Virgil). He gets knocked down easily (crap chin), he gets up easily (good recovery), and the way he fights when hurt has been inappropriate in the past (poor boxing brain/too much bravado).

 

This thread has no chin. None.

 

Credit where credit's due, If a noob read the first post he might not have assumed it was Khan related. You did let yourself down rather quickly however.

 

As well as Autism

 

Glad you liked appreciated a difference in opinion. I normally brace myself for abuse when I post on here, but was pleasantly surprised to see a mature response to a different view.:good

 

Peterson isn't a big puncher though and Garcia stopped him. Diaz smothered all his own work after he hurt Khan and the fighters that he wants to mix it with would have had him out of there in a similar situation to Maidana, who, while being tough and a big puncher, is limited and a bit crude.

 

Same thing. If you take a great shot and get straight back up it shows you weren't that hurt.

 

There is a point in this somewhere. Sometimes its best to talk in terms of durability. I think it really encapsulates all these factors. Ability to take a single, clean shot, recovery when they are hurt, ability to really tough it out over long periods.

But there is a very strong correlation between recovery and ability to take a single shot too. People like Toney who can take a great shot can also recover very quickly and can tough it out over long periods and never appear flimsy.

 

HUH?? Do you even know what the term "glass chin" means? It MEANS poor punch resistance! atsch Fighters with "glass chins" are fighters with poor punch resistance.

Do me a favor. Next time you want to talk about chins, consult somebody who knows something about them to help you understand the basics.:deal

 

it's irrefutable

 

Someone explain JMM in these terms. He's a very interesting fighter who's been down numerous times, from different levels of opponents, yet he never seemed to struggle much after getting back up (ie, jelly legs, or being disoriented). In fact, he seems to do BETTER after getting KD'd. I'm interested in hearing a good breakdown of this phenomenon.

 

Agreed, the term chin is incorrect but we all what it means.