Chin Talk Special - Ask a ChinChecker a question about Glass Jaws, Iron Chins etc.

By your definition, a fighter who cannot take 8-10 flush power-punches per round from a fighter with good power for 12 full rounds is glass-jawed.

As far as I know, most people would in fact consider such a fighter as being iron-jawed to be able to withstand that level of punishment.

 

Mr. GlassJawsExist, I have a question regarding the concept of the glass jaw; it is a two-prong question.

What are the best "early indications" of a sure-fire "glass jaw", and is there any kind of caution that can be taken to prevent the glass jaw from being shattered? For example, what precautions should a candidate for a glass jaw take to ensure it is never shattered? Neck strengthening exercises? Chewing wads of the toughest bubblegum all day, everyday?

 

I see the scale as a bit like this:

- Glass/Poor (D level and below) - will probably be knocked down and/or hurt by a flush power-punch from a fighter with average power or even less than average power, even if he can see the punch coming

- Less than average (decent but not good) (C level) - will sometimes be hurt by a flush power-punch from a fighter with average power, especially if he cannot see the punch coming

- Average (good) (B- to B level) - will usually be able to take a few flush power-punches per round from a fighter with average power, for 12 full rounds

- Better than average (very good) (B+ level) - will usually be able to take a few flush power-punches per round from a fighter with good power, for 12 full rounds, and will often withstand the odd flush power-punch from a fighter with true one-punch KO power

- Iron (A-level) (great) - will only be hurt by a lot of flush power-punches from a fighter with great power, only after many rounds of such sustained punishment, or only after quite a few flush power-punches from a fighter with true one-punch KO power

Of course, you can even have some more intermediary steps, but these, for me, are the bare bones.

Glass-Jaws exist in boxing. But even iron jaws can be hurt and cracked. In my opinion.

 

How the **** did the ****** take over the experiment?

You teach a ****** to shoot, and then you give him a gun, and he goes out and shoots someone. Do you blame the ******, the teacher or both?

These are questions I need the answers to.

 

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Please, Mr. GlassJawsExist, report in to address above question!

It's rare we get input from a TRUE expert on this situation. . . THere are myths out there on whrther or not glass jaws actually exist, and damnit, i need them clarified!

 

Sounds about right. . . Of course there are more dynamics, and variables to have one "set scale", but this is about as close as you can get keeping it simple. . . Mah boy AMIR KING KHAAAAN is a B+. . . Based on his performance against the hardest puncher in the 140 pounder division; based on the critera: "he took a few flush punches per round, for 12 rounds. . ", and even withstood NUMEROUS "clean, flush" power punches from a true "one shot n' drop" guy like Maidana.

 

We've done chin-classification to death on ESB. There are loads of different variables, like:-

- how hard a one-off flush power punch a chin can take
- recovery power/speed of a chin after a power-punch of a certain hardness
- number of repeated flush power punches of a certain hardness a chin can sustain within a certain time interval

etc.

If you want to look more into this, look for the threads. There's better classifications than the one above that we've made in the past.:good

Then, of course, it's looking at the variables that affect the perceived quality of a fighter's chin:

e.g.

- how weigh-drained the fighter is, how easily he's made weight, how far under his natural weight is he fighting
- how strong are his neck muscles
- how strong are his legs
- how well does he roll with the punch
- how well does he anticipate the punch
- how well does he clinch once hurt to prevent further punches
- how many rabbit punches he's been allowed to take
- how well he avoids the punch hitting perfectly flush, with the greatest leverage

...there's loads of things like these that play a role, and the perception of Amir Khan's chin has improved because some of these things, yeah.

In my view, as long as you have at least an average chin, you can be successful at world-class level, because you shouldn't rely on your chin to save you. If you rely on your chin, it had better be iron, like Froch's or Andrade's, and you had better have a few other world-class attributes, or you're not going to become a world-class fighter. Sometimes people overrate the importance of having an iron chin, in my view. It's great to have an iron chin, sure, but so is having great speed, or stamina, technique or ring-IQ, in my view.

 

Ah, excellent, most excellent! hahaha I love discussing the subject. . . There is still evidence to suggest there really might not be glass jaws, and each situation of a supposed "glass jaw being shattered" is merely shrouded in circumstance. . . Take Khan, for example - gets decked by Prescott (who is very heavy handed, I might note) - absolutely sparked out in like 49 seconds. . . Stanky legs all over hte place. . .

But then, he goes on to take on a MUCH, MUCH harder puncher, and eats 20+ clean punches in the 10th round, and only does a TINY, very TINY stanky leg. . . Also took a few clean punches in basically every round. . never came CLOSE to kissing the canvas, or being out on his feet (he was always 100% lucid, despite being a little dazed). . .

Then you got guys like Marquez, who are prone to kissing the canvas, but never cmoe close to going to sleep, or actually being stopped. . . Then Paul Williams, who eats numerous clean shots in a WAR against sergio, then goes to sleep after one cracking shot the next time out!

Very few guys show a tendency to exhibit the same result, time in, time out, when cracked by a power puncher.

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I'm not the best person to ask... look up the older in-depth threads. I would say there are some people who have glass-jaws, but not in any way as many as the chin-checkers would say there were.

Frankly, if you have a true glass-jaw, you're quite unlikely to be good enough to be noticed by us - you'll have probably given up in sparring - unless, of course, you have very good/great attributes in other areas that allow you to get quite farm despite the glass chin.

I'll leave the floor to my betters now!

 

Nah, you are more than versed to speak on the subject, as you don't seem to have an agenda against a boxer that has been dubbed "glass jawed." A lot of these guys just have agendas against them, and find these threads as a way to be underhand slick in taking shots at them. . . But you, along with GlassJawsExist appear to be true scholars on the subject, and just interested in conducting further research to PROVE the glass jaw, than just spouting off nonsense. . .


So, in your opinion, who is probably the most "glass jawed" boxer who has fought on the world class stage over the past, say, three decades?

As much as I like Wladmir Klit (HUUUGE FAN, and defender), I really do think he might be pretty low on the "glass jaw scale". . . I mean, it's happened over, and over, and over again. . . Although against Peter, he proved that he CAN weather the storm, and FIRE BACK when **** hits the fan. . . But still, it must be very nervous for vitali every time his lil bro walks into the ring.

 

VItali probably knows better than anybody that Wladimir has a glass mandible. . .

 

It is always advisable to check out what the cornerman bring into the ring with them prior to the fight.Should a bottle of crazy glue or a glue like substance be part of their kit,then chances are their fighter has the glass jaw syndrome.:deal