Chins and size. Is there a Correlation?

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  1. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jimmy Thunder was Samoan . If he had Samoan David Tua's chin he would have been a world beater.
     
  2. choklab

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    Big head and neck muscles may help but Big head and neck muscles alone would not be enough. To know for sure you would have to hit a guy blindfolded. If a guy with big head and muscular neck doesn't get knocked out blind folded by a power punch you could say it was a big factor but it won't be the case. The biggest factor is being able to react to what is coming your way.
     
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  3. BCS8

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    I definitely agree with that. As an aside, I'm really good at getting sucker punched :(
     
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  4. BCS8

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    He must surely be the exception that proves the rule :)
     
  5. juppity

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    Agree. Neck / Shoulder/ jaw strength is not enough.
    Another factor is good ring vision or focus.
    '' The punch you don't see is the one that knocks you out " Teddy Atlas.
    Emanuel Steward use to say Floyd has this great focus in the ring always kept an eye on his opponent
    even when under fire.
    Rolling with the punch 's so that don't land flush ( James Toney ) and chin tucked ( Chavez ) also helps.
     
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  6. Mendoza

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    Ah, Jimmy Thunder! You could say he was a Crawford Grimsley level world beater.

    13 seconds, back in the day on Tuesday Night fights. One quick punch, then a 10 count and its OVER.

    Grimsley was a very limited and hyped local product who somehow went the distance with a 90's Foreman
     
  7. reznick

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    I agree that seeing the punches coming and reacting is a huge part of it.

    I think much of Ali's punch resistance came from his awareness.
     
  8. Mendoza

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    None of those guys outside of Carnera lineal champion were ranked highly. Carnera up to the Joe Louis fight had 88 matches and was only stopped once. The one was Max Baer unloading on him for many rounds. Max Bear was a huge puncher, so this nonsense that Primo in his prime was easy to stop doesn't hold much water.

    Prior to the Baer fight, Primo was down either 1 or 2 times. Once from Sharkey for sure.

    Louis took him apart but he was passed his best by then regardless of his age, and ill-equipped defensively vs. Louis. Primo showing here was very poor.

    You can take below 200 pounds I'll take above 201, and my list will prove much more durable at heavyweight than yours. I'll offer the same to Perry or anyone else.

    There is something to weight and the ability to take it.
     
  9. mcvey

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    Impelletierre and Campolo were top ten ranked. Carnera was dropped by Stribling. WTF did Sharkey ever drop? His ko% is24%!
    Many of Carnera's fights were fixed so his stats are meaningless.He was 28 years old when Louis stopped him.The difference was whenever he faced a puncher who wasn't handcuffed he was ko'd.and he was steered clear of them for the most part

    If it was just a question of size ,ability would not be a factor ,but many giant boxers did not take a punch well,and that is a fact.
     
  10. Glass City Cobra

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    Size and bone density may have something to do with it, but if you think its the only factor youve obviously never been in a fight.

    Cardio and anticipation are at the top of the list. Balance is also a major factor.

    For what its worth, George Chuvalo said in an interview that he used to tuck his chin and use his forehead in case he couldnt slip a punch. He cites his short neck (which means less brain rattling) and he would train and develop his neck muscles and shoulders to better absorb impacts like a football player.

    https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=hOvW892x2OQ
     
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  11. Mendoza

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    Sharkey battered Jack Dempsey and might have beaten him if not for the low blow foul and hook combo when Sharkey was complaining to the referee.

    Okay, Carnera who was stopped once prior to Louis in 88 pro fights took how many hard shots from Joe Louis and Max Baer? Probably more than you can count on both hands!

    Now, Rahman and McCall didn't need more than one hard shot to stop Lennox Lewis! I think both Baer and Louis hit harder than McCall and Rhaman, don't you. So who's packing more glass? You could easily argue Lennox and the beauty is on film to judge.
     
  12. Dubblechin

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    I don't know if the bigger you are gives you a better chin if the people you're fighting are bigger, too.

    Because, the truth is, it's not a matter of how strong your chin is. Hitting you on the chin just causes your head to snap quickly, causing your brain to smack the inside of your skull.

    The number of brain injuries has certainly increased since the size of the average player has shot up in the National Football League, college Football and even high school football, and those bigger people began colliding into each other.

    I remember George Foreman was against headgear in amateur boxing years ago because he said it made your head weigh more, so when you got hit in the head, your head jerked more (increasing the impact of your brain hitting the inside of your skull).

    I'm sure it depends on the force of the blow, the size of the person delivering it, the angle your head snaps and where your brain impacts the inside of your skull. Certain parts of your brain are probably more sensitive to hitting your skull than other parts are. If your brain sloshes from one side of the skull to the other and back again, and keeps hitting the inside of your skull, where it hits probably matters.

    If people knew the answer, we'd all know by now. It's a continuing problem in every sport.
     
  13. Dubblechin

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    Lewis fought and got punched in the head by people who everyone agrees hit harder than Rahman and McCall, too, but those other guys DIDN'T knock him out.

    That's why your "packing more glass" comment is dumb.

    I'm sure it had to do with the angle his head snapped, and where his brain hit inside his skull on those TWO occasions. On every other occasion in his pro career, his head didn't snap the same way, so he didn't go down.
     
  14. Mendoza

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    Simple questions Dubble,

    Who hits harder Joe Louis and Max Bear or Hasim Rhaman and Oliver McCall?

    Please explain why Carrera wasn't stopped by one punch despite taking many more punches by Joe Louis and Max Baer in his KO losses in comparison to Lennox Lewis who sustained next to no damage who was starched twice by one punch. One was a ten count for Lennox, the on wobbly leg's and no balance TKO after he got up.

    Lewis did not have a reliable chin, and when he was hit by hard punches at least on Rhaman or McCall's level he was 50/50 to being stopped. So yes, he was packing some glass in that jaw. In Lennox's case, his tremendous size, very good skills, and excellent power, combined with clinching and some rule bending often prevent his chin from being tested.
     
  15. Mendoza

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    Interesting comment in every sport. In the NFL, it's the lighter players who are at the greatest risk for sustaining concussions, not the 300-pound lineman colliding into each other on every play.

    Now, if you take a sport like futbol, or what it is called in the USA ( Soccer ) there are almost as many high school concussions, and most of those players are much smaller. If your female the risk is even higher for a head injury.

    So yeah, size matter when taking a blow. How much can vary, but it matters.