Chins and size. Is there a Correlation?

In the NFL, college and high school, the linemen actually suffer from the most brain injuries. The brain studies now find that they suffer the most because they suffer the most recurring blows to the head, even if each blow doesn't result in a concussion. The lighter players likely suffer more injuries to appendages and organs. Linemen suffer the most head injuries, because they bang heads on each play.

 

I think I've explained it about a thousand times this week to the point where I don't even want to post anymore.

Lennox Lewis fought guys and got hit in the head by guys who hit much harder than Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman, and he wasn't knocked out by any of them.

Would you rather have been dropped TWO times in your career like Lewis or 20 TIMES in your career like Carnera?

Would you rather not get knocked down 20 times and DEFEAT everyone in your career ... or would rather keep getting your @ss kicked and beaten up a dozen or more times, and knocked down and stopped?

Apparently, you're in "THE MORE TIMES YOU GET KNOCKED DOWN AND KNOCKED OUT THE BETTER YOUR CHIN IS" group ... and every trainer on earth will tell you that is simply stupid.

Call me crazy, but I'm in the "I'D RATHER PROVE I HAD A GOOD CHIN BY NOT GOING DOWN 20 TIMES" club.

But knock yourself out. (No pun intended)

 

James Toney took some big shots from Samuel Peter in both of their fights without being buzzed where as Peter was able to knock down klit several times in one fight

 

I think James Toney was buzzed quite a bit in his career, considering his speech pattern these days. I think he just got better at hiding it because he liked to stay close.

 

Because your questions don't make sense. Who hit harder? Earnie Shavers, Joe Frazier or George Chuvalo?

It wasn't Chuvalo. So why did Chuvalo floor and stop Quarry with one punch, and Shavers and Frazier (in two fights) couldn't put Quarry down?

Because the guy who KOs you doesn't have to be the hardest puncher you ever got hit by. Don't you get that?

Finally, fighters with "weaker" chins go down a lot. They don't go down two times in a Hall of Fame career while beating everyone they fought as a pro.

Carnera was down 20 times and stopped a half dozen times. If you think Primo had a better chin than Lennox Lewis, there's no point in talking with you anymore.

 

A instant ko happens when the victim is hit hard enough to cause their brain to slosh back and forward
inside the head impacting with the skull and causing temporary trauma. The brain then shuts down
temporarily to protect itself from trauma causing loss of consciousness.
A larger man has more body mass , therefore it takes more force to cause the brain to slosh as it would a
smaller man. A heavier mass also requires more striking force to accelerate the brain towards the interior of the
skull.

 

which vitali couldnt manage against weakest oldest lewis.

 

yeh...uhh no we were talking about vitali not being able to hurt lewis.

then you switched argument completely. flop mate. dont run away next time.

 

It's the connections that knocked Lewis out not the punches. You cannot relegate a stunning knockout by saying the guy knocked out had a weak chin.

Lewis practically knocked himself out both times because he generated his own knockout against himself through being technically exploited with a counter and complacency. The connections both times was a great knockout punch.

It simply is not a question of weak chins or guys who hit harder doing better.

I am sorry to say but it's just not correct to say so.

By all means say Lewis was more susceptible to knockouts because of these blunders.... but blaming his chin discredits the stunning knockout blows.

 

I am enjoying this discussion. Some great points.
To me, the size of the fighter punching vs. the size of the fighter being punched is very important, too, rather than just the size of the man taking the blow. Being 250lb. of solid muscle might allow you to absorb more from a 210lb fighter than another 210lb fighter would, but against another 250lb fighter, it would likely make for no advantage. The force from the smaller man will be more easily absorbed the the larger one, in other words, but the closer the weights get (assuming fighters are in shape) the less that helps.
There is so much more though in a knock down and/or knockout than size. I firmly believe any fighter can be dropped by a perfect shot, chin or no. Being KO'd by a bomb like Hearns hit Duran with would have stopped just about any fighter of comparable size. And before someone says Hagler, look at the shot that he took out Duran with, and where it connected on the head, vs. what he landed on Hagler when he broke his hand. If MMH had taken that shot flush on the jaw like Duran, it could well have been over. There are just some knockout punches, no matter who is on the receiving end.
Of course, there are also some fighters who seem to get knocked out often, I wonder if sometimes, especially in earlier eras, this was an accumulation of progressively more concussion damage.
I would have to watch the fight again to be sure, so correct me if I am wrong, but I believe for example the punch that Moore dropped Rocky Marciano with was quite well placed. This is huge. Also, knockdown vs KO is very important, as knockdown is sometimes also due to being out of position/off balance, which is not related to chin. If you get up, and are coherent and fight on, maybe the chin is not an issue. If you get up and do a pirouette and fall over again, that is a different story.
How many fighters would have gotten up as many times as Joe Frazier did against Foreman? Does that mean Frazier had a bad chin, some think so. I would say that is not as conclusive as the number of knockdowns might indicate, because he kept getting up, as opposed to Spinks vs. Tyson.
Lewis vs. McCall, he got caught, could happen to anyone. McCall is more famed for his punch resistance than his punch, but still, he is a comparable sized fighter to Lewis, so size of Lewis is not an issue to me.
Against Raman, he was really out of shape and exhausted, which is what led to the KO, no excuses for him, he was an idiot making a movie instead of training, but I don't see that as a chin issue in the same way I would have if he had been blasted out in 1 round.
Certainly Lewis is not granite chinned, but it is erroneous, at least to me, looking at his resume to say his has a bad chin.
Fighters like George Chuvalo, in addition to having the right physical attributes and centre of gravity to stay on their feet also aided their cause (albeit indirectly) by never doing anything fancy, no dancing, no fancy bob/weave, etc. so they were always 'in position' so to speak, whereas others could be caught.
Man, I wrote a lot, and I don't know if I added anything to this of value, sorry. But I was enjoying the thread.

 

Very good post