Chins List - World Champions with the lowest KO Loss Ratio

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  1. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    All champions are listed by Chin, from Never Stopped to Most Stopped.

    Example:
    • 00.50% = stopped 1 time in 202 fights, Sugar Ray Robinson
    • 06.67% = stopped 5 times in 75 fights, Roy Jones Jr.
    • 19.57% = stopped 9 times in 46 fights, Ricardo Mayorga
     
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  2. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The list starts with Champion names mentioned on the Forum with keyword "chin", then adding any Champion mentioned in this thread
     
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  3. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Leon Spinks added above Ricardo Mayorga (alphabetical)

    Each has 9 losses in 46 fights
     
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  4. Jel

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    This list only reveals the flaws in the logic of the list.
     
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  5. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The list is raw cold numbers (no logic or thinking/opinion/bias involved)

    It reveals the flaws of the "mythical" misconceptions, whenever is a myth is exposed...Believers of the myth go into denial...If the "Mythical Chin" causes the fighter to get stopped more often...Then it should be treated as a liability, not an asset
     
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    If we used this math on ALL former world champions, Henry Armstrong would not even be in the Top-25, on the list below those who never suffered a stoppage defeat.

    On such a list, the first name should be Jack Britton: 1/345 = 00.29%

    And at the bottom, I think we have Jorge Vaca: 21/93 = 22.58%
     
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  7. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Henry Armstrong has one of the best ratios, look on the list.

    Its a KO loss ratio (not loss ratio), So Henry Armstrong 2/183 puts him on the very top Elite level
     
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    Good one
     
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  9. eltirado

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    Lots of boxers had more fights than the modern records accept, even Zhang in China is having a hard time getting anybody to accept his last win over Ramirez. Britton at (~158 pro fights) puts him 2nd after Sugar Ray Robinson.

    If you can update Wikipedia record with the 345 fights, then it should settle at 345 fights.
     
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  10. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, I'm looking at the list, and I DO understand what you're saying… I'm just trying to explain that on a FULL list of champions, using your math, Armstrong doesn't even make the Top-25 on such a list. And I'm not counting those who were never ko'd. I'm talking about the list below the "perfect" (00.00%) chins.
     
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  11. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's common knowledge, that at 345 Britton is the world champ with the most recorded fights. If you doubt this, you can count them all on BoxRec.
     
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  12. eltirado

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    I intentionally kept 00.00% Nameless for this reason.

    In theory SRR is more tested than any undefeated fighter, because the undefeated fighters didn't fight 202 times & usually most KO losses occur in the end of a career.

    So the list favors boxers who fought more often, without discrediting undefeated fighters & survivors who went into defense first mindset in big fights they were losing. Some might have been able to go 202 (Panama Al comes to mind)
     
    eltirado, Feb 25, 2020
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  13. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Boxrec has it 158 now? I assumed this was done by experts on that era, myself I don't much about the era.
     
    eltirado, Feb 25, 2020
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  14. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The 158 does not include his many ND fights. If you look just a little further down, they list the number of known total pro fights as 345.
     
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  15. eltirado

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    I see this?

    Pro Boxing
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    rounds 1468
    KOs 18.99%

    status inactive
    career 1904-1930
    birth name William J. Breslin
    alias Boxing Marvel
    born 1885-10-14
    nationality

    USA
    death date 1962-03-27 / age 76
    debut 1904-11-11
    division welter
    stance orthodox
    height 5′ 8″ / 173cm
    reach

    70″ / 178cm
    residence

    Clinton, New York, USA
     
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