Chisora Greater than Wilder?

When Wilder stepped up to world level he struggled to win a single round where he didn't knock Fury down.

He then lost 17 rounds in a row vs Parker/Zhang. That's the risk you take not stepping up in your prime, you are remembered for the fights against the bigger names on your resume and he was made to look like a borderline top 20 HW.

 

I wouldn't sleep too well on a mattress made of Deontay Wilder. All sharp angles and bones. Much more padding on a Chisora mattress, though his legs might dangle off the end.

 

Chisora is from the Kiltschko era which most people despise a bit interesting how he is ageing well.

 

Wilder is from the Klitschko era too, but he didn't fight anyone noteworthy for the first 6 years of his career.

 

The poll results surprise me so far, so I'll play devil's advocate and see what I'm missing.

Wilder has always been ranked above Chisora during their careers. He was top 3 for his entire title reign and going into the rematch with Fury he was arguably the best HW in the world.

Chisora has been a gatekeeper for a decade.

They have common victories in Washington, Szpilka, Johnson and Scott.

They have common losses in Parker and Fury.

Wilder beat Stiverne and Ortiz when they were rated in the top 5, Chisora never beat anyone rated in the top 5, but he did have arguable victories over Whyte and Parker which is as good as Ortiz and Stiverne.

Helenius/Pulev, Brezeale/Wallin, Joyce/Arreola you could argue they're broadly the same quality.

Chisora has also lost to Vitali, Haye, Kabayel, Whyte and you could argue they'd all have beaten Wilder had he faced them.

I think that's the argument you'd have to make. That had Chisora got the nod, he'd have a better resume than Wilder.

But I can't get past the fact that Chisora never once was ranked above Wilder so ranking him above in terms of greatness is too tough a sell for me.

But I love Chisora so I'm gonna stop arguing the case, let him have his poll victory.

 

A nice objective post,,,I agree

 

I wouldn't rule it out but I'd have quite happily put money on Wilder sparking him out a few years back

The better boxer doesn't always win

 

Simple:
Neither one of them are "great" HWs.

For example; I don't see anyone going crazy over Dominick Guinn, and he's a far better journeymen than Chisora TBQFH. Never stopped, never down. When he actually threw punches he really had a fairly complete arsenal, and a much better chin than Chisora. If we're calling journeymen great now, where does this end?

I dislike Wilder immensely and hate that he was the American standard for as long as he was, that being said, Wilder was better and greater (even with his poor resume) than Chisora. This is silly. And Wilder would've iced Chisora quickly, as soon as he threw with very bad intentions.

 

He lost to every damn one of them.

And Helenius had a damaged shoulder that needed major surgery to repair. Haye was a former cruiserweight with injuries (who didn't fight again for four years) who Chisora outweighed by nearly 40 pounds. And Vitali was 40 years old, had already retired once, and retired for good seven months later.

And Chisora lost them all.

This is such a weird take. It's difficult to debate with people who refuse to compare apples to apples.

I've never seen any of you hold up Wilder's losses as "great accomplishments' like you do Chisora's losses.

 

Speculation is meaningless we can't simply say Wilder kayoes people he didn't fight as if it's a fact

One should be able to make a case based on resume

 

The majority has Chisora beating Helenius and Parker in fight one however

 

The double standards regarding Wilder are bat**** insane. He was never better at age 38 when he lost to Parker and Zhang yet Ortiz was ancient at that same age. It’s why I try to avoid Wilder threads whenever I can. Intellectual honesty is simply not possible 9 times out of 10.

 

For a long time he was the least regarded of heavyweight title holders, and i understood that.

But the hate since his losses to Fury has gone beyond what I've seen for any other fighters tbh.

 

I've always enjoyed watching Chisora, too, going back to his early days. I root for him to win most of the time. He's been quite the character.

But nobody is going to win a poll the way people around here move the goal posts.

They give credit to Chisora for every loss, and list them as accomplishments. But Wilder is bashed for his losses, even though they are far fewer and against top fighters who all had huge weight advantages over him. They won't even mention his draw where Wilder scored two knockdowns and successfully defended his title for the eighth time.

But every loss Chisora had was great stuff. A true resume builder.

When has anyone bashing Wilder on here said his losses to Parker and Zhang were resume builders like ALL of Chisora's losses apparently were?

They say Chisora beat higher ranked guys, but Wilder is the one who beat higher ranked guys and MORE of them.

You point that out, and it's ignored.

They complain how long it took Wilder to step up.

The highest Chisora has ever been rated is RIGHT NOW, 18 years into his career.

Wilder was ranked no lower than the #3 contender by the Ring for eight straight years, month in and month out, from January 2015 to December 2023. Hell, he was the Ring #1 contender as late as 2022 (when Fury claimed he was retired and they pulled him from the ratings.)

And Chisora only got his current very high rating (#2 IBF contender) over a fluke. The IBF decided to give the winner of a fight between two guys who weren't highly rated the open #2 spot ... and Chisora huffed and puffed his way to a decision over Otto Wallin, who was ranked way down at #12.

I'm happy for Chisora. But this nonsense that Chisora was greater is just that, nonsense.

Wilder beat higher rated fighters, beat more of them, beat more alphabet rated fighters, was highly ranked for nearly a full decade ... it is what it is.

That said, I'm happy for Chisora's final push. I wish him all the luck. If he fights for the title again, I'll be squarely in his corner.

 

Wilder wasted Helenius in one round when Helenius was the #2 WBA contender and had two good arms.

People would rather give a Chisora credit for losing on points to an injured one-armed fighter than give Wilder credit for KOing him in one round.

When that's the case, there's no point in debating really.