Chisora is a dangerous opponent for Fury

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  1. joebojoejoeson

    joebojoejoeson Member banned Full Member

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    Lol Wlad was past his prime, Povetkin was past his prime. Pulev dude? You actually mentioned Pulev as being a top level fighter? Yeah you clearly don't know much about boxing and Andy Ruiz was considered a easy fight for Joshua. The moment he beat Joshua the same people switched and started talking about Ruiz like he was a great fighter. Joseph Parker was always averaged. His best win came against Ruiz in a fight most people thought he lost.

    Ortiz is better than anybody Joshua has faced besides Wlad and maybe the Ortiz that fought Wilder was better than a old washed up Wlad. Also Wilder tough Tyson Fury 3 times and Tyson Fury apparently is the greatest fighter in history. Wilder fought a old beat up Chris Arreola and a older even more washed up Chris Arreola almost knocked out Ruiz. I would even say that Bermaine Stiverne is better than Ruiz. Bermaine beat Arreola much easier than Ruiz did.

    So my point stands, neither Joshua or Wilder has faced top level talent, Or at least top level talent who were still in their primes. But Wilder would still spark out Joshua.
     
  2. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So Wlad was spent and AJ doesn't get any credit for win yet Fury is highly praised one just prior. Wlad also came in the nest shape having been in 2 trying camps prior coming the lightest he has been 7 years.

    Povetkin was in decline but still a top fighter when he fought AJ hence beating Hughie and Whyte after (again these two wins alone is more impressive than anything Wilder has done let if you consider Povetkins record prior to AJ fight).

    Pulev has beaten the likes of Chisora and Hughie which is as if not more impressive than anything Wilder has done.

    Ruiz beat Ortiz (wilders best win) and was unified champion (something Wilder never been) and has a far more impressive career than Wilder in beating AJ (a guy who Wilder ducked like the plague for years).

    Parker has superior record to Wilder with wins over Ruiz, Chisora, Hughie and Takam.

    Stiverne better than Ruiz lol? One had the PBC belt by beating Arreola of people which is most noteworthy win. The other beat the number 1 guy in the divison to become unified world champion.

    All 6 opponent stated are better than Ortiz, you just have to looks records to tell the gulf in class. Ortiz only noteworthy win his whole career are Jennings and Martin who dropped Ortiz twice lol.
     
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  3. joebojoejoeson

    joebojoejoeson Member banned Full Member

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    Lol Wladimir was past his prime when Fury fought him and he was past his prime even more when Joshua fought him. Deal with that.

    Andy Ruiz beat Joshua and that is it. Stiverene destroyed a Arreola that Andy Ruiz could barely beat.

    You are giving Parker credit for being Hughie Fury and Takam? Yeah you aren't a real boxing and I done typing to you. Blocked.
     
  4. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder struggled against Spzilka. Chisora didn't break a sweat to beat him in the first round.

    Wilder struggled against Duhaupas, Povetkin battered him.

    Wilder struggled against Washington losing mutiple rounds whilst Charles Martin won every round.

    Wilder struggled against Molina and AJ made easy work of him.

    Ortiz went life and death against Martin whilst AJ didn't break a sweat to beat him.


    How anyone can rate Ortiz above Povetkin at any point of their career is beyond me.

    You give Wilder credit for beating Stiverne but don't give Parker credit for beating Takam or Hughie?
     
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  5. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    The only danger is his resume is getting shittier by fighting hand picked and undeserving title fight against Chisora for the 3rd time.
     
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  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ortiz was 38 years old, never knocked down and 30-0 when he fought Wilder the first time, he was 43 years old, knocked down 6 times and 35-2 (both by KO) when he fought Ruiz. Ortiz went all 12 rounds with Ruiz and won 6-7 rounds on the cards as the B-side.

    It's funny how Ortiz was supposedly "past his best" and even "medically unfit to fight" when he fought Wilder at 38 but apparently hadn't declined significantly 4.5 years and 2 brutal KO defeats later.

    Ruiz beating Joshua falls into the same category as Douglas vs Tyson, McCall and Rahman vs Lewis, Puritty, Sanders and Brewster vs Wlad.

    Compare performances against mutual opponents: Morales, Liahhovich, Arreola and Ortiz. Ruiz fought these guys after Wilder, often when they had a lot more wear and tear. Ruiz couldn't stop any of them, lost lots of rounds, took lots of punches, got dropped.

    If we're purely talking about results on paper then Wilder has a draw with Fury, whereas every other Fury opponent has exclusively lost. Ruiz has a loss to Parker, who lost to Whyte, who couldn't land a meaningful punch on Fury and got one-shotted in 6.

    Wilder and Ruiz have had long careers, they are to a great extent known quantities. If Ruiz had a better record than Wilder then he would not be a significant underdog in this matchup and I can guarantee that he will be, despite Wilder's age and brutal KO defeats.
     
  7. Redbeard7

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    Literally every one of those fights came after Wilder had KO'd them, in 4/5 cases well after. It's easy to play that game:

    Povetkin struggled against Firtha and went the distance, Wilder battered him

    Chagaev struggled against Manswell and went the distance, Wilder bombed him out in 1

    Joshua struggled against Breazeale, Wilder bombed him out in 1

    Chisora and Whyte struggled against Helenius and went the distance, Wilder bombed him out in 1

    Joyce struggled against Stiverne, Wilder had already bombed him out in 1

    Ruiz struggled against Morales, Liakhovich, Arreola and Ortiz, went the distance with all of them (but somehow KO'd Joshua lmao) after Wilder had KO'd them

    Joyce struggled with Jennings and went the distance, many thought it was a draw or Jennings win, Ortiz battered him years prior

    Whyte struggled with Allen and went the distance, Ortiz battered him

    Parker struggled with Cojanu and went the distance, Ortiz bombed him out in 2

    Pulev and Takam struggled with Thompson and went the distance, Ortiz battered him

    etc.


    Ortiz 1 was younger than Povetkin (38 vs 39) fresher than Povetkin (only one hard fight vs Jennings, never dropped vs many wars, hard KD's against Wlad and Price) 30-0 vs 34-1, never got a controversial decision vs controversy against Huck, taller, longer and heavier, a southpaw and probably a bigger puncher. Ortiz recently went 12 rounds with Ruiz and gave him a close fight at 43, Povetkin was levels and levels below Dave Allen at age 41 against Whyte.


    Wilder and Joshua's top 5 opponents beaten when combined is like this:

    Wlad
    Ortiz 1
    Povetkin
    Ortiz 2
    Stiverne 1

    And of course we can't forget Joshua's 4 KD 7th round quit job against fat Andy.


    Wilder dominated Stiverne, who for all his limitations was durable, determined, experienced and a big puncher, defending a title. Parker did not dominate light punchers Takam or greenhorn Hughie, both fights were highly competitive.
     
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  8. Kiwi Casual

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    I do find that funny also. However, as Ruiz actually beat Ortiz you can't say that currently Ortiz > Ruiz. Maybe had they fought ten years ago, but that's an unknown.
     
  9. joebojoejoeson

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    We know for a fact that Ortiz is pretty much done. He is toward the end of his career and Ruiz still struggled with him. Also kid I stated prime Ortiz is better than Andy Ruiz. Not washed up has been Ortiz is better than current Ruiz.
     
  10. Kiwi Casual

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    Kid? Is that really necessary? Either way, it's an unknown and Ortiz still lost to Ruiz.
     
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  11. joebojoejoeson

    joebojoejoeson Member banned Full Member

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    Right and if you can't grasp that boxers get old and eventually aren't in their primes anymore then I won't bother trying to discuss anymore boxing with you. Bye bye.
     
  12. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    Hahaha
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    is still logging into multiple accounts to try and keep Wilders name alive.

    5 accounts later and still, no one believes you @Redbeard7 . It's adorable. :risas3:
     
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  13. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Don't forget Firtha badly rocked Fury.
     
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  14. miniq

    miniq Tyson Fury Undisputed HW Champion 18/5/24 Full Member

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    Lots of silly arguing going on here

    All just gather round and hail lord Fury.
     
  15. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    *McDermott.

    Lord McDermott.

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