Chisora Vs Ortiz

Ortiz' style and size should give him a relatively easy decision victory over Chizzo, like Pulev.
But it might turn uglier as that, as he is obviously on the slide.

 

War Chisora!

 

Ortiz is no doubt the better boxer but Chisora could be called the better fighter. Chisora has wins over Spzilka, Takam, 35-0 Malik Scott and should also have wins over Helenius, Parker & Whyte. Ortiz literally has Jennings and an older less motivated Scott…

 

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Ortiz turned the offer down and this article was 5 weeks away from the fight

Clown

 

Damn you dumb! Do the math moron!

 

Hey stupid, The Ortiz fight was signed May 1, and the fight was June 1. Even a dummy like you should be able to count the weeks in that time frame! Or maybe I'm giving you too much credit lol.

 

Chisora walks the old man down like a morning shopping centre stroll.

 

You said ortiz was given two weeks in the initial post


Come on back that up

You absolute cretin and the worst kind of fanboy

PBC tattoos on your forehead id imagine

 

Agreed. Chisora never lacked the stones to get in there with the very best, win or lose, something Ortiz was always petrified of doing judging by their comparative careers. I'm not even prepared to say he's a superior fighter to Chisora as their level of competition has been so drastically different, though he obviously displays a lot cuter skills against lower level guys while Chisora is mostly the same come forward plodder every fight. But just because a guy is proficient at beating bums and mid-level guys doesn't translate to him scaling up that level of performance against the better fighters in the division. The more I study Ortiz the more holes in his game I see, and I think if he'd have fought the same guys as Chisora throughout his career he'd have given a much poorer show of himself overall.

He wasn't giving him the same sorts of problems as Marco Huck (who has a good argument for winning their fight) but Povetkin was definitely not having things his own way, and Takam was taking rounds off Povetkin till at least the midway stage, when Povs began to get his timing down a bit better and upping his workrate. That was the performance that made me really start to rate Takam as a lot better than I'd previously thought.

 

Chisora's best wins:

TKO8 Shopworn Takam (getting battered every round before the KO) TKO6 Scott (getting outboxed every round before the TKO/quitjob) UD shopworn Kevin Johnson, TKO4 shopworn Price

Ortiz's best wins:

TKO7 Jennings (up 4-2 before the KO) KO6 Martin (Ortiz was shot to bits and was dropped twice) UD Hammer (won every round) UD Scott (won every round, Scott tried to quit but the ref didn't let him)

Then you have to factor in Chisora's 12 losses (3 KO) to 9 different opponents, compared to Ortiz's 2 losses to 1 opponent (2 KO) who was a long-reigning world champion in Wilder and he pushed Wilder hard while past his prime. But in fairness to Chisora, several of his defeats were very controversial (Whyte 1, Parker 1 and Helenius in particular). I see this as discrediting Whyte, Parker and Helenius as much as it elevates Chisora.

More even than Ortiz's age at the time he turned pro and lack of fame, the biggest reason why Chisora got so many more big fights was that he was regarded as a low risk fight. Seeing as he lost virtually every time he's stepped up in class, this analysis was clearly accurate. The relatively unknown Ortiz on the other hand was seen as high risk, low reward: compared to Chisora he had about 350 more amateur bouts, vastly superior boxing skills, a much higher KO/KD ratio, more height and reach, an undefeated record, destroyed a one fight post-Wlad 6th Ring ranked Jennings, had never been dropped pre-Wilder and was a rare southpaw HW to boot.

You can also gauge how good Ortiz was perceived to be at the time by other boxers and trainers: in 2016 Fury said that Ortiz was "old but very good", Chisora himself compared Ortiz to a "southpaw Mike Tyson" and claimed he was a "nightmare". In 2019, Abel Sanchez said that he turned down a fight with a post-Wilder 1, officially 40 year old Ortiz for his charge: the de-facto SHW gold medallist, 33 year old, 7-0 pro Joe Joyce. Even Hearn said in September 2021 that "no one wants to fight Ortiz" and that was an officially 42.5 year old Ortiz with 2 KO defeats. In 2016 when Hearn had signed Ortiz and AJ was fighting Breazeale and Molina, Hearn was clearly reluctant in interviews to match young cash cow AJ against the vastly experienced Cuban front foot counterpunching southpaw and surprise surprise the fight was never made, so Ortiz went off to fight Wilder instead.

Prime for prime there is no doubt in my mind that Ortiz was far better than Chisora and would have been one of Chisora's top 5 opponents, along with Fury, Usyk, Vitali and Haye. As for who wins now it's who lands first. At the very minimum Ortiz would be 43+, probably more like 44 or 45 to Chisora's 38.5. But Chisora is also shot, is on a three fight skid and took an absolute battering against Parker. I'd favour Ortiz to bomb Chisora out in the 1st half because he still has a big advantage in skill and power, along with his southpaw stance, height and reach.

 

"Ducking Ustinov"

Prime Ortiz supposedly ducked a 10/1 underdog in Ustinov, who'd already been schooled and KO'd by Pulev and was on the cusp of losing to Charr...

"Then when Matchroom put him in against difficult opponents in Scott and Allen" (lmfao)

Ortiz won every round of the 12 against runner Scott, knocking him down multiple times and put a severe beating on Allen, stopping him in 7 (unlike Whyte, who went the 10 round distance). Many British fans regarded these as "bad" performances at the time because they disliked Ortiz.

Ortiz didn't start "playing the game" until after he'd lost to Wilder and was officially 40+. Before and even after that point, fighter and trainer testimony and common sense suggest that he was a heavily avoided high risk, low reward fighter. The idea that people use the fact that he turned down the Hrgovic fight at 43+ as evidence that he was never ducked and was avoiding everyone all along is ludicrous, especially as prime guys like Hunter, Parker and everyone else in the IBF rankings avoided the similarly high risk, low reward Hrgovic.

 

You sound foolish. Only fanboy is you rookie! Respect your elders young whipper snapper!

 

If this fight ever gets made, I'll will take a loss for the fellow posters and cover some of Ortiz's markers.
The old man deserves some form of respect even though I doubt he would make it to 10 least he ko's Chisora...

 

So you can't answer?

Who am I a fan boy of then?

Anyhow, explain the dates or face being seen as a liar

 

I already proved you were a liar! Stop making yourself look bad.