Choose five Wlad-victims to beat prime Joshua

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Redbeard7, Dec 1, 2023.


Who do you take?

Poll closed Dec 15, 2023.

  1. 2000 Byrd

    24 vote(s)
    48.0%

  2. McCline

    5 vote(s)
    10.0%

  3. D. Williamson

    2 vote(s)
    4.0%

  4. 2005 Peter

    32 vote(s)
    64.0%

  5. Ibragimov

    17 vote(s)
    34.0%

  6. 2008 Thompson

    8 vote(s)
    16.0%

  7. Chagaev

    9 vote(s)
    18.0%

  8. Haye

    31 vote(s)
    62.0%

  9. Povetkin

    33 vote(s)
    66.0%

  10. Pulev

    2 vote(s)
    4.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joshua got battered from pillar to post by and quit against Andy Ruiz, who failed to put a dent in Liakhovich, Kevin and Arreola. He also got outboxed by Usyk worse than Chisora did. Joshua's not superman and plenty of those guys would have chances, even though I wouldn't favour any of them against the best version of Joshua.
     
    Redbeard7, Dec 3, 2023
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  2. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If knocking Wlad out was so easy Fury would have done so like he promised.

    Using you own logic, Fury must of been boxing scared against Wlad. Oh, I forgot your convoluted double standards only apply when they benefit Fury.

    Fury has already ducked Usyk multiple times. Until they touch gloves I'll crow as much as I want.
     
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  3. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "like he promised"

    Fury isn't under any theoretical moral obligation to tell the truth, especially to his opponent before a fight.

    "Fury must of been boxing scared against Wlad"

    Fury was sticking his hands behind his back and daring Wlad to throw. Fury was fighting to a gameplan, not fighting with any fear and had the gameplan not been working Fury would have gone into mauling mode. But even if Fury was boxing scared, there's a big difference between boxing scared against Wlad and boxing scared against a short stubby light punching untrained plodder like Ruiz.

    I was making the point that Joshua boxing scared against Ruiz increased his chances of victory in that matchup, it wasn't really a criticism.

    "Fury has already ducked Usyk multiple times"

    Usyk ducked Fury by ducking the heavyweight division until late 2020, tying himself up for another 2 years against Joshua and ruling himself out of a December 2022 Fury fight due to "injuries and wanting to spend time with his family".
     
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  4. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are so inconsistent. So for Fury it's fighting to his game plan, but not for AJ?

    And not actually fighting in the division (while unifying in cruiser) isn't ducking. That's moronic. It was Usyk who accepted Fury's 70/30 terms, and Fury who bailed to get embarrassed by a novice.
     
    Kiwi Casual, Dec 3, 2023
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  5. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Mollywhopper Full Member

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  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They were both fighting to a game plan but Joshua was far more intimidated against Ruiz than Fury was against Wlad. And if plan A hadn't worked for Fury, he'd have switched to B, C etc. Joshua's only plan was to run from the blob and had it not worked, it would have ended in another Joshua quit job in all probability, despite Joshua having massive physical advantages.

    One could easily regard Usyk spending so much time in the inferior, less prestigious and less lucrative cruiserweight division as ducking the heavyweight division/biding his time. The same can be said for staying a long time in the amateurs, waiting for the landscape to clear. It comes down to one's definition of "ducking". There's no doubt though that Uysk refused to fight pro heavyweights above the level of Witherspoon and Mendoza until late 2020 because that's what happened.

    Massive commercial B-side Usyk and his team demanded 70-30 in their favour in a rematch if they won (whether Fury wanted one or not), plus a £1 million donation to Ukraine. It was entirely unserious. Assuming these back-and-forth public negotiations weren't just theatre designed to build interest in the fight.

    I don't find this conversation very interesting so this will be my last reply.
     
    Redbeard7, Dec 4, 2023
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  7. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just watch how George uses his size to shove, octopus, spin and twist opponents into punches, I'm not sure any puncher before or since mastered that as well as George (not to mention, among other strengths, his adeptness at keeping mauling or even simply forward motion fighters at bay).

    Even prime Iron Mike, ESPECIALLY prime Mike (who had far more hand speed though not the power of Foreman) would be going straight at George from the beginning. Probably trying to end it early, that was 1986-1988 Tyson's impetus. But Foreman's at-times-not-so-legal physical gifts would be put to advantage over a much shorter (though admittedly very muscular) opponent. Mike comes in, he gets that terrifying jab, or he gets grabbed and shoved brutally off (back in range for another soul-crushing jab). Or Foreman waits until the first heavy swing, then pushes Mike off balance and into George's strong area.

    Even though Mike was a total Wonder in the late 80s, the style he had (the same one was ridiculously perfect for the people he fought) would have him getting badly bombed early on.

    I do see a Lyle-esque staggering of George in the 1st round, and Mike was a phenomenal finisher. But I believe the Foreman who was so wired out for the Frazier fight would have taken it in 2, with Mike knocked silly by the kind of uppercut that sent LeDoux into dreamland.
     
    RulesMakeItInteresting, Dec 4, 2023
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  8. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No, you're just massively biased and seemingly unable to give Fury criticism.

    If Usyk had beaten Fury those terms would be fair, as he would be the undisputed Champ. If Fury was confident in beating the "middleweight midget" it wouldn't even be an issue and he'd have his lion share in both fights.

    Usyk fought AJ in his third heavyweight fight, Chisora on the second. Fury has faced far lesser opposition in his previous fights and to this day still refuses to fight AJ.

    Trying to call Usyk a duck is just laughable, especially after he called Fury's bluff and Fury ducked to win a controversial split decision against a novice where he arguably lost.

    I'm done here. I'm surprised the mods have tolerated your latest duplicate account.
     
    Kiwi Casual, Dec 4, 2023
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