*Choose THE TOP 20 WINS OF THE PAST 20 YEARS, from my 100 List*

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by horst, Dec 31, 2010.


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  1. horst

    horst Guest

    Some if not most of the regulars on here will have seen my two "Top 50 Wins" threads, so I think it would be a good discussion to arrive at a General Forum consensus over what the top 20 from those 100 victories are.

    Here are the links to the two original threads which contain information and explanation over each choice:


    - The Top 50 Wins of the 1990s

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    horst, Dec 31, 2010
    horst, Dec 31, 2010
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  2. horst

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    I look forward to seeing peoples' top 20 selections, having some good discussion, and hopefully arriving at a solid top 20. :bbb
     
    horst, Dec 31, 2010
    horst, Dec 31, 2010
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  3. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    Great lists, I will try to make one of my own if I have some time between work.
    If I may ask why dont you have pac-dlh as one of the 50 best wins of 00, despite oscar looking terrible it was still a 2 division jump from pacquiao and he put on a excellent boxing display while oscar was a clear favourite by anyone before the fight.
    This fight gave pac superstar status and made him the force he is today at welter.
     
    cesare-borgia, Dec 31, 2010
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  4. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    yeah great lists. gonna have to think about this one in more detail a bit later, but off the top of my head Tyson Douglas is a no brainer, and maybe Morales Pacquiao 1
     
    Beouche, Dec 31, 2010
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  5. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    no one in their right mind can give pac credit for beating a DLH in that condition. he was literally a walking corpse. if you want to name a pac fight then it surely must be the first MAB fight
     
    Beouche, Dec 31, 2010
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  6. Englund

    Englund Warrior Full Member

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    I agree. There were a couple of fights I would take off and replace with others such as the one you mentioned. It's his opinion, though. I'd like to make my own list as well, if I can find the time.
     
    Englund, Dec 31, 2010
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  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    1. Douglas KO 10 Tyson
    Not in exact order, but generally within a few slots of where I list them:
    Mayweather TKO 10 Corrales
    Tarver TKO 2 Jones
    Morales UD 12 Pacquiao
    Pacquiao TKO 11 Barrera
    Mayweather SD 12 de la Hoya (financial aspect, it's real)
    Mosley SD 12 de la Hoya
    Bowe UD 12 Holyfield
    Jones UD 12 Toney
    Foreman KO 10 Moorer
    Hearns UD 12 Hill
    Vazquez TKO 6 Marquez
    Hopkins TKO 12 Trinidad
    Barrera UD 12 Hamed
    Holyfield MD 12 Bowe
    Chavez TKO 12 Taylor
    Jones UD 12 Hopkins
    Rahman KO 5 Lewis
    Hatton RTD 11 Tszyu
    Randall SD 12 Chavez
     
    Nonito Smoak, Dec 31, 2010
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  8. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    Mab is already listed and is thats normal but I think its kind of unfair how little praise pac gets for the oscar fight, I think if he would have not dominated him but lets say won a 116-112 117-115 decision everyone would say it was a epic win. Just because he made oscar look that bad gets him little credit. We cant overlook how he was a massive underdog coming in and what the fight ended up doing for his carreer.
     
    cesare-borgia, Dec 31, 2010
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  9. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    At a glance...

    1. Douglas KO10 Tyson
    2. Pacquiao TKO11 Barrera
    3. Tarver KO2 Jones
    4. Hearns UD12 Hill
    5. Jones UD12 Toney
    6. Hopkins TKO12 Trinidad
    7. Forrest UD12 Mosley
    8. Holyfield MD12 Bowe
    9. Morales UD12 Pacquiao
    10. Rahman KO5 Lewis
    11. Pacquiao TKO11 Cotto
    12. Hopkins UD12 Tarver
    13. Holyfield TKO11 Tyson
    14. Bowe UD12 Holyfield
    15. Mayorga TKO3 Forrest
    16. Mosley UD12 De La Hoya
    17. Jones UD12 Ruiz
    18. Mayweather TKO10 Coralles
    19. Nelson TKO8 Fenech
    20. Pacquiao KO2 Hatton
     
    the cobra, Dec 31, 2010
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  10. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    James “Buster” Douglas KO10 Mike Tyson / Heavyweight / 1990
    Julio Cesar Chavez TKO12 Meldrick Taylor / Light-Welterweight / 1990
    James Toney TKO11 Michael Nunn / Middleweight / 1991
    Azumah Nelson TKO8 Jeff Fenech / Super-Featherweight / 1992
    Evander Holyfield MD12 Riddick Bowe / Heavyweight / 1993
    Roy Jones Jr UD12 James Toney / Super-Middleweight / 1994
    Jorge Fernando Castro TKO9 John David Jackson / Middleweight / 1994
    Riddick Bowe TKO8 Evander Holyfield / Heavyweight / 1995
    Evander Holyfield TKO11 Mike Tyson / Heavyweight / 1996
    Chatchai Sasakul UD12 Yuri Arbachakov / Flyweight / 1997
    Shane Mosley SD12 Oscar De La Hoya / Welterweight / 2000
    Bernard Hopkins TKO12 Felix Trinidad / Middleweight / 2001
    Floyd Mayweather Jr TKO10 Diego Corrales / Super-Featherweight
    Roy Jones Jr UD12 John Ruiz / Heavyweight / 2003
    Marco Antonio Barrera MD12 Erik Morales / Super-Featherweight / 2004
    Diego Corrales TKO10 Jose Luis Castillo / Lightweight / 2005
    Bernard Hopkins UD12 Antonio Tarver / Light-Heavyweight / 2006
    Israel Vazquez TKO6 Rafael Marquez / Super-Bantamweight / 2007
    Israel Vazquez SD12 Rafael Marquez / Super-Bantamweight / 2008
    Shane Mosley TKO9 Antonio Margarito / Welterweight / 2009
     
    bodhi, Dec 31, 2010
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  11. horst

    horst Guest

    Pac-Oscar was a very significant fight for Pac, but that is not strictly relevant to rating the quality of the win from an objective boxing perspective.

    I think Pac-Oscar was a good win and a great performance, and it was in contention for the top 50, and I think it is generally underrated, but ultimately I decided against having it in the top 50.

    People could legitimately argue that Mayweather-Corrales and Jones-Toney should not be in there either then since both Corrales and Toney were weight-drained as well (and their performances were almost as insipid as Oscar's), but considering that Oscar never fought again and had looked clearly past his best since around 2003-2004, I opted to leave it in the 'good' category as a win, rather than a 'very good' win which would merit inclusion here.
     
    horst, Dec 31, 2010
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  12. horst

    horst Guest

    We can't overlook how he was a massive underdog coming in - I agree.

    We can't overlook what the fight ended up doing for his career - I disagree. We both can and should overlook that. This thread is about the quality of opponent and quality of performance. How the fight raised the winner's profile is not relevant in this particular debate.
     
    horst, Dec 31, 2010
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  13. horst

    horst Guest

    Quality list. I disagree (rather vehemently) that Jones-Ruiz and Mayweather-Corrales are in any way comparable to Nelson's win over Fenech, but other than that a top contribution as always. :good
     
    horst, Dec 31, 2010
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  14. horst

    horst Guest

    Is this in order mate?
     
    horst, Dec 31, 2010
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  15. horst

    horst Guest

    :huh It has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the win though. Click the links and read the ranking criteria.
     
    horst, Dec 31, 2010
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