Chris Bryd TKO 10 Vitali Klitschko- Let's revist round 9

It was also the longest Vitali had been in a fight. I think this along with the hurt shoulder panicked him. Vitali was winning the fight he could have laid a lazy jab out or just straight rights on a southpaw like Byrd and kept him at distance.
It was a bad move of a fighter who wasnt really quite a professional fighter yet regardless of his title, but I think Vitali has more than redeemed himself showing guts through adversity in other fights, but the two fights were he was hurt he failed in, so it reallly does leave a monumental question mark as to how he would hold up against other fighters if they are able to rough him up a bit. He really hasnt been hurt or been in a real fire fight since the Lewis fight.

 

Vitali appeared to take the pragmatic view of things, and quit to fight another day.Buddy McGirt went into the fight with Whitaker with the same injury, I beleive.
Whatever the pain level was,and only Vitali knows that,I think he has redeemed himself with his gutsy display against Lewis.
How a fighter acts in one fight is no garauntee how he will perform in another.Genaro Hernandez quit against ODH with a broken nose.
Jeff Lacy got an awful shellacking against Calzaghe, but showed no signs of quitting.Likewise Ruiz,whom I think had his nose busted against Haye yet again ,he was prepared to walk through hell.I would say it was an aberration on Vitali's part, but if he did it again ,I think I would re -evaluate his decision against Byrd

 

I see a man taking a calculated measure. This is the classic forum, so doesn't it make sense you're getting people who disagree with this? Most of us have only been as far as sparring, and for the few that have stepped into the ring...well...somehow the mentality shifts (can't say anything further because I have yet to experience a pro fight). Q idolized Rocky Marciano in the past, makes sense he's digging on VK. Doesn't it? Point of view folks. We have a difference in our POV.

Q posed the question (indirectly with his Merchent quote), "Is this a champion?". To Q, obviously he's not. To others? Here's the question to gather the consensus. I can't follow Q's thought. I don't know what VK was truly thinking, I'm not a pro boxer, I don't have that mentality. We know that VK knows sports medicine and holds a degree in it. He's the Doctor, do you guys normally argue with your Doctors after he tells you, "Do this, you'll cause permanent damage"? Seriously, here we're challenging a man who has a doctorate and we're questioning his range of thought. I know better then to question a Doctor and to only do research to challenge their point, or I seek another doc for a second opinion.

What if Vitali ends up saying, "If I would have went the distance with Chris Byrd I would have ruined any future prospect at a career"? He's a Doctor, we're not and here we are criticizing a man with a greater intellect of our own. Based on Q's thought, we're to assume that this isn't a champ in the mold of Rocky. He's not, he is Vitali. You see any other fighters like Rocky these days? I hope you're picking on them too Q.

 

I dont think the Vitali that fought Lennox Lewis would have done the same thing against Byrd. I also dont think he was facing a career ending injury. Doctor or no doctor there was no way for him to tell either, just that his shoulder was hurting badly. Evander Holyfield fought through a far more grueling fight with the same injury. Vitali just didnt have the same definition of a prizefighter at that time than most do. Injuries are part of boxing, your main objective is to inflict damage on your opponent, its to be expected. Theres no time outs do overs or hold on a sec while I rest, its combat.

 

Vitali quit like a bum.
But it's only one fight. These things happen in pro boxing.
Maybe he had money on Byrd.

 

What a load of crock. His shoulder hurt, a rotator cuff injury isnt much un but it isnt career threatening and Vitali isn't a real doctor and achieving a doctorate doesn't necessarily make someone particularly intelligent

 

Then Liston is a bum. Duran is a bum. Jack Johnson is a bum. Kostya Tszyu is a bum. Marcel Cerdan is a bum. Sugar Ray Robinson is a bum...

Good company.

 

I believe Vitali went onto say that he wouldn't have quit under those circumstances had he been able to do it all over again. He suffered a bad shoulder injury, but then again so did Holyfield in round 1 against Byrd and Lacy against Tsypko. Both went onto finish those fights.

 

I said "quit LIKE a bum". That's not the same as saying "he is a bum".
I followed with "But it's only one fight."
Cant be fairer than that.

Damn right, Liston and Duran quit like bums.

And let's not glorify them. Liston could be a decent guy but was also a drunken thug a good deal of the time, from most accounts.

Duran was an ******* too. No qualms about calling him a bum. His quit job was the worst.

 

I think Vitali came in with that sport mentality that you can quit after an injury. After feeling the negative press from the western Press he had to rethink this move. I think he vindicated himself in the Lewis fight but I could not understand it then. Could be he was in pain, hard to tell from my perspective. He was ahead the whole fight and lost the 9th and was starting to get hit. He should have hung in but could have feared a worse injury. Klitschko is a Dr. and could have feared permanent injury but in retrospect I dont think many of the ATG could understand this fight because it was a title fight and all he had to do is survive to win. Pain could have been excessive

 

We can say he was in pain and was concerned about injury but to try and t0 make a comparison to Marciano, who fought on to win with a split nose and back injury's and getting ass up off the floor is really reaching Mendoza, this was not a DQ in some remote amateur fight, This was for the World Professional Championship...I like Vitali but your comparison and constant attempt at Marciano and defense of Vitali is transparent.

If Vitali though Byrd was putting heat on him, what would he think of Rocky's two fisted pressure...Vit may have opted out a bit quicker

 

I think gangsters made him do it.

 

Have you attended a university & graduated? If you have, I'll leave you alone.

Have you had a rotator cuff injury while boxing professionally? If you have I'll leave you alone.

Are you on a board for determining legitimacy for university degrees? If you are, I'll leave you alone.

Are you a doctor? I hope you understand where I'm going with this.

PowerPuncher, I hate going this road, but you're full of **** only if you have no understanding or relation to any of the four points I've mentioned above. You are not VK, you don't know how he thinks, you're an idiot for claiming your correctness without any proof. It makes me laugh that anybody here thinks they have final say on anything, unless they hold true proof. So far PP, you got nothin'.

 

I've never heard the idea that a quit-job needs to be assessed with regards to the level of formal education the quitter has received.

 

You too? Ugh, this is sad. You're just a name caller. You don't know the situation and you guys are only running with what you saw not what had happened. That's idiocy man. Put this **** together! Why do I have to explain this? I'm not defending VK, I'm presenting info that YOU OVERLOOK. Everybody should be assessed fairly and if you don't, you're obviously a biased person.